40/20/40. They all have individual sliders. Or, just the two outside seats slide and the middle is fixed.
What kind of tech do you expect enabled in the car or interface?
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Also. EVs have an issue in snow storms. Not only with the headlights not melting the snow (which isn't unique to EVs), but also with the hood accumulating snow because that's no waste heat from burning gas. It would be nice if the upfitter system could support an optimal, small resistive heater attached to the inside of the frunk hood that can be turned on when needed.
Creative. I pray the rear seat setup in Traveler is 40/20/24. Looked like it at the reveal but still wasn’t sure. So much more flexible
No sure if anyone mentioned this yet. Blind spot camera pop up when using turn signals, have this in my Kia, simple to do and very handy.
Having lived 82 of my 84 years in the north (aka snow country) I have never seen snow accumulation on the hood or top of a moving vehicle be a problem. Of course it accumulates whilst parked, but common sense (and laws and regulations) would have us remove any obstructive accumulations before driving. One design deficit that nearly all current car and truck models share (including both the new Scouts) is locating the windshield wipers in a channel between the hood and windshield. Those channels are immune to the airflow that keeps body surfaces relatively clean while in motion, but worse yet under slushy near freezing conditions can accumulate a block of solid ice that encases parked wipers. In years past a few manufacturers put extra heating tapes on the lower windshield to keep that area melted, but I doubt it worked and didn't catch on. I suppose that the car designers (who mostly seem to get their ideas in FL, CA, TX and other warm climes) think that excess heat from the engine might migrate up into that channel. Never happens. Exposed wipers (e.g.: 80, 800, II) are relatively easy to break out of frozen coatings; releasing wipers frozen in a depressed solid ice block is both difficult and risks damage both to the wiper and surrounding vehicle parts. Yes, that panel which covered that area on the Scout IIs was super prone to rusting, but it solved this problem. That's another nod to the Legacy Scouts that would be appreciated -- and I bet SM designers can do it without the rust.
40-20-40 means you always have to have a child in the middle, right? Maybe 35-30-35 or better yet 33x3? And I'd apply that to both front and rear seats.
I sure agree with you on the frozen headlights. A couple of manufacturers are placing heating heating elements in the glass or housing. At least one has tiny wipers, and BMW floods them with wiper fluid. The issue isn't limited to the headlights, but to all lights, cameras, and sensors. Sensors are particularly susceptible because they are mounted low and get the brunt of a road-spray of ice and sand when driving in slushy conditions. I don't particularly care if the parking proximity sensors get covered, but I do object to the repetitious messages about it that take over the dash screen and cover other important driver information. On my Tundra the radar that feeds the speedometer is located mid-grille and easily ices over; that's more serious. There's a whole issue to address about lights, sensors & cameras vs. snow, freezing rain, slush, and mud. How to keep them functional, and how to inform the driver when they are not.
We get around 100 inches of snow a year here--usually we're in the top 10 list of snowiest cities in the US. The second winter we had our Mustang EV we got ~13 feet of snow total in our neighborhood. We get this mostly in big, relatively warm and wet dumps over a few days. Our snow usually isn't as cold and dry as I've seen in more northerly climes, but rather sticky, wet, and heavy.
There's quite a bit more of this sticky-wet snow that accumulates on our EV hoods than what collected on our gas vehicle hoods. Since owning EVs, I've been in storms where we accumulate a couple of inches of of snow on the hood while driving. In the cases I've experienced this, it's usually not been safe to pull over and clear the hood, though I have done it a couple of times. I've never seen that much accumulation on a moving gas vehicle.
The issue is that the hood is cold (at or slightly below ambient) and that causes the sticky-wet snow to freeze to the hood instead of melting and running or just blowing off. After a short time, clumps of low-density ice/slush catch a bit of wind and blow off the hood and into the windshield, causing sudden losses of visibility. Yes, wipers can help, but that's imperfect. I believe a slightly warm hood would encourage the snow to melt rapidly enough that it would run off as liquid instead of blow off as clumps of ice.
Yes, all the sensitive parts have issues with the snow/ice accumulation. I haven't seen any truly effective solutions yet. We carry a brush that can help when we're stopped, but that's no good while driving.
I stand enlightened. Sounds like you are reporting from Buffalo or Lowville. Fortunately I live several hours east of there and have had only one experience with the lake-effect snows downwind from Erie and Ontario. That was a harrowing drive from Watertown to Syracuse which was a complete white-out except that I was behind a snow plow and could follow his hazy image and flashing lights a few yards ahead of me. It was perhaps 40 years ago and I recall nothing about the condition of snow on the State-issued car I was driving. Your hood-warmer sounds like a good item for the hinted-at list of options.
On the Tundras that offered the dash-cam as an option but did not receive one, folks who were installing an aftermarket cam found that the wiring was all there in the housing designed to hold the OEM item. Apparently it wasn't worth it for Toyota to have two different cables to service that overhead mount that hold mirror/tv screen, etc.
Interesting, I know I was looking at some headlights for my Wrangler. And have been looking at this LED pair that have built in heater coils, was wondering if the snow build up was a real issue or not.
Prior to owning my current vehicle, Mojave Gladiator, I had a '15 GMC Denali. It was an amazing truck until...all the bells and whistles started to fail.
First major one was the magnetic shocks. Awesome when they work but to have them fail inside of 40k miles and then cost 4k to replace was less than reasonable.
Next up was the electric power steering rack. Again having power steering that adjust based on road conditions sounds amazing. Until it failed around 60k miles and required a full rack replacement at another 3k.
Next up was the infamous delivery on demand (cylinder shut off for fuel economy) failure $6k @ 70k miles. And I got lucky the cam did not get damaged or the bill would have been 4k higher.
Let hope SM keeps the new Scouts simple. When I heard/read that these were vehicles that could be owner serviceable that really peaked my curiosity .
That Denali was a nice truck but I don't need a Corvette in a truck body nor do I need a Land Rover. My 05 LJ with 170k miles is going strong albeit in fairness it could use a suspension refresh.
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First major one was the magnetic shocks. Awesome when they work but to have them fail inside of 40k miles and then cost 4k to replace was less than reasonable.
Next up was the electric power steering rack. Again having power steering that adjust based on road conditions sounds amazing. Until it failed around 60k miles and required a full rack replacement at another 3k.
Next up was the infamous delivery on demand (cylinder shut off for fuel economy) failure $6k @ 70k miles. And I got lucky the cam did not get damaged or the bill would have been 4k higher.
Let hope SM keeps the new Scouts simple. When I heard/read that these were vehicles that could be owner serviceable that really peaked my curiosity .
That Denali was a nice truck but I don't need a Corvette in a truck body nor do I need a Land Rover. My 05 LJ with 170k miles is going strong albeit in fairness it could use a suspension refresh.
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Maybe but what it permits is 2 rear adults with center down to haul more/longer gear. With a 60/40 you lose a passenger if you are hauling longer stuff. Just provides the extra seat when hauling
Sounds like a useful cold weather package item to me. With warming headlights.
Exactly.
Or, if they build in an upfitters interface from the get-go, it can be offered by aftermarket suppliers.
One of the reasons certain vehicles are so popular for so long is a thriving aftermarket economy. F-150, Tacoma, 4-Runner, Jeep Wrangler, etc., have a huge aftermarket and DIYers can modify nearly every aspect of the vehicle. As we move more into integrated electronics and computerized everything, it becomes more difficult to do that without a solid plan by the vehicle design team. These days, tapping into a line for power can create all kinds of unexpected problems in ways we never saw before the modern CAN bus.
I hope SM have aftermarket and accessory design team going right now, working with external manufacturers to make sure there will be hundreds of aftermarket options available on day 0 of sales: Suspension upgrades, lift/lowering kits, accessory lights, winter weather packages, wheels that can handle the vehicle weight, winch mounts, racks, sliders, bumpers, SAR gear, exterior and interior accessory/MOLLE mounts (I see they have some planned), camera integration into the screen(s), floor mats, etc., etc., etc.
Never even thought about this, it could be a real problem
Our Lightning has power outlets in the frunk, so for this coming winter I'm going to get a heating pad of some sort that I can stick to the inside of the frunk lid. I can power this up from inside so it will only run when I activate the outlets.
They make some self-adhesive silicone heat pads for ICE oil pans and such for vehicles that don't come with block heaters.
The ability to roll the windows down via the key fob like VW has had for yearsssssssssssss
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