How much personalization/modification ability do you want to see in the new Scout?

[nolen]

Actual question not snark, why do you want to be able to turn the headlights off?

I see (barely) so many people who have either decided they don’t need their lights yet or have forgotten they aren’t on when they would actually be helpful for others to see them, even if it isn’t helping them see yet.

 

[ID_ENG]

Actual question not snark, why do you want to be able to turn the headlights off?

I see (barely) so many people who have either decided they don’t need their lights yet or have forgotten they aren’t on when they would actually be helpful for others to see them, even if it isn’t helping them see yet.

Some quick one scenarios I can think of.
- Going through a camp site after dark, where only marker lights will do.
- Leaving drive movie theatre and not blinding people as you make your way out
- Almost got in a fight (kinda not really) but going through a Christmas light drive through display and the driver in front of us thought we had our beams on. But really daytime / all time running lights are just bright.

 

[prattm1964]

Some quick one scenarios I can think of.
- Going through a camp site after dark, where only marker lights will do.
- Leaving drive movie theatre and not blinding people as you make your way out
- Almost got in a fight (kinda not really) but going through a Christmas light drive through display and the driver in front of us thought we had our beams on. But really daytime / all time running lights are just bright.

All very good reasons.
I was talking about driving around during the day with lights constantly on.
Night time, I have no problem having the lights on. During the day, its a waste.

 

[nolen]

Some quick one scenarios I can think of.
- Going through a camp site after dark, where only marker lights will do.
- Leaving drive movie theatre and not blinding people as you make your way out
- Almost got in a fight (kinda not really) but going through a Christmas light drive through display and the driver in front of us thought we had our beams on. But really daytime / all time running lights are just bright.

Thanks!! Not situations I’ve been in so hadn’t thought of that. I wonder if there could be like a speed detector setting or something? Like how the doors automatically lock at a certain speed, if you’re going over that speed the lights are on. Or a way to turn them off but then the next time the car is turned off and on, the lights are on again.

I know there’s a darkness detector that’s supposed to turn them on but I don’t think they work all that great. Especially for the dimness of light rain. Plus it has to be on the auto setting for that to work and every time I take my car to the mechanic they turn it off so the lights aren’t on inside their building (the only need I could think of for the lights to be off)

Thanks!

 

[nolen]

All very good reasons.
I was talking about driving around during the day with lights constantly on.
Night time, I have no problem having the lights on. During the day, its a waste.

It’s not that much energy and not that rough on the bulbs anymore. The problem I’ve seen is that no one agrees on the point when the lights should be on at dawn/twilight. It’s easier for the driver to see without the lights on than it is for them to be seen by others. And when there is a lot of street-lighting or other cars around like on the highway, people don’t realize they aren’t on sometimes.

 

[ID_ENG]

Thanks!! Not situations I’ve been in so hadn’t thought of that. I wonder if there could be like a speed detector setting or something? Like how the doors automatically lock at a certain speed, if you’re going over that speed the lights are on. Or a way to turn them off but then the next time the car is turned off and on, the lights are on again.

I know there’s a darkness detector that’s supposed to turn them on but I don’t think they work all that great. Especially for the dimness of light rain. Plus it has to be on the auto setting for that to work and every time I take my car to the mechanic they turn it off so the lights aren’t on inside their building (the only need I could think of for the lights to be off)

Thanks!

> Or a way to turn them off but then the next time the car is turned off and on, the lights are on again.

My old 2001 Silverado had this. Press the dome light button or whatever it was 6 times and the daytimes turned off. Would stay that way until you turned off the ignition. When you started it back up, daytimes back on.

 

[RocketVol]

Thanks!! Not situations I’ve been in so hadn’t thought of that. I wonder if there could be like a speed detector setting or something? Like how the doors automatically lock at a certain speed, if you’re going over that speed the lights are on. Or a way to turn them off but then the next time the car is turned off and on, the lights are on again.

I know there’s a darkness detector that’s supposed to turn them on but I don’t think they work all that great. Especially for the dimness of light rain. Plus it has to be on the auto setting for that to work and every time I take my car to the mechanic they turn it off so the lights aren’t on inside their building (the only need I could think of for the lights to be off)

Thanks!

The ID.4 has that, at anything above 4mph at night the lights come on and there is nothing you can do about it, no override, button, or switch. Below 4mph you can turn them off, or turn the parking lights on, but it is a multiple press of the button to accomplish, and as soon as you hit 4, they come on.

It is a real pain slow rolling to the guard gate at work, in the dark, while passing the sign that says "Parking lights only." They love that!

And many of us in the ID.4 community have tried using VCDS and OBDeleven to program that feature out to no avail. I get the automatic thing, but why is there not an override?

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Some quick one scenarios I can think of.
- Going through a camp site after dark, where only marker lights will do.
- Leaving drive movie theatre and not blinding people as you make your way out
- Almost got in a fight (kinda not really) but going through a Christmas light drive through display and the driver in front of us thought we had our beams on. But really daytime / all time running lights are just bright.

I’d add: being able to turn lights on and off to, uh, say “hi” to other drivers (day or night) and driving up kitt peak after dark (no lights allowed).

As I pointed out in another thread, is automatic is the only option, there are always going to be cases that the designer didn’t consider. A flipped example would be when you need lights on during the day because a sign says “daylight headlights required”.

 

[eightOne]

Leather was great as stated. That said @Jamie@ScoutMotors has been correcting me the past year-ish as saying “leather like”. I pushed for a commitment at the design studio they had at the reveal and the comment was.m-“ it’s a concept vehicle”. Canned answer and fairly so. So my hope is seats look just as great but they opt for vegan/synthetic to keep the same great look. My daughter’s Lexus has the faux leather and it still looks very good. Maybe leather will be a top of the line option. That said Chris Benjamin even made comment to the textures and feels and the distress on the concept traveler was so satisfying and I fear that part may either and die by production time. Keeping fingers crossed

I'm hoping for either a cloth insert option or standard ventilated seats across the range. Leather seats in Phoenix results in a lot of sweat soaked shirts regardless of how cold the hvac gets.

 

[prattm1964]

It’s not that much energy and not that rough on the bulbs anymore. The problem I’ve seen is that no one agrees on the point when the lights should be on at dawn/twilight. It’s easier for the driver to see without the lights on than it is for them to be seen by others. And when there is a lot of street-lighting or other cars around like on the highway, people don’t realize they aren’t on sometimes.

It's just a nit I pick.

 

[J Alynn]

I hate going into threads like this. I end up sounding like I'm a simple cave man.
My wish list is small:
Heated/ventilated seats
Heated steering wheel
Backup camera
Nice speakers

Low importance things:
Infotainment is really out of hand lately. (Give me a port to connect my phone to. I can run everything from there.)
Some way to turn off the headlights so they aren't on all the time while driving
Some way to turn off the lightshow (if there is one), that just wastes power.

I agree with you but daytime running lights are required to get top safety ratings.

I'm hoping for either a cloth insert option or standard ventilated seats across the range. Leather seats in Phoenix results in a lot of sweat soaked shirts regardless of how cold the hvac gets.

both vehicle’s seats were perforated and the slide at reveal noted heated and ventilated available on front AND rear seats

 

[MountainDad]

I take my off-road vehicles and USE them. I don't bash them, but I do use them for their intended purposes. A Scout's intended purpose is to be off-road and I will use it as such. I would love to see the ability to customize these easily. One of the main reasons why I didn't go Rivian, the ability to customize them and mod them was difficult at best and impossible at worst. Give me the ability to add different bumpers, sliders, lights. If you want to market this as an off-road vehicle (as it should be) and want the aftermarket to adopt it (which will help bolster sales) make them easy to mod!

The aftermarket is going to have to respond, and that's going to require SM to partner early with maybe one or two well known brands like ARB or Lucky8.

Land Rover did this early with the Defender L462 before release, and that allowed time for the aftermarket developers to test and finalize designs.

I think I read somewhere in here that Scout Motors intends to do something similar. This is a good business move because it transfers development cost to the aftermarket but also builds goodwill and an impression (if not reality initially) of long-term support for these vehicles through their 2nd, 3rd owners and beyond.

 

[MountainDad]

It's just a nit I pick.

LEDs don't take up very much battery power, but the ability to disable DRL in menu settings is available on many vehicles. They may just default to 'on' when you restart the vehicle on the next journey, though.

 

[Callsign_DISCO]

One of the things that has made Jeep so endearing and enduring is the ability to personalize their vehicles, especially of course the Wrangler series in all it's generations - easily my most favorite aspect of owning my JKU Rubicon. Interior, exterior, suspension, accessories - the Jeep ecosystem is, after 70 some years, massive - so in general I would recommend targeting that overall level of customization understanding that the mechanical aftermarket will take some time to develop although there are some great legacy Scout/IH Light Line parts makers out there already - would be great to see the old timers get a piece of the action as well.

 

[OIBScout]

This would be a huge departure from Volkswagen of America's current product planning and one I would greatly support. Just look at the ID Buzz: they're launching with only mid and top level trims (Pro S and Pro S Plus) and only the top level trim is allowed to have real colors while the mid spec is only black/white/silver which would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

VW Group did this on Atlas for that Launch Edition, with basically one trim. I’d JUST had to surrender my Touareg (and a Passat) due to Dieselgate, as Atlas was about to drop, and was REALLY bummed about the lack of Lux or Executive equivalent trims.

BIG things were left off, like no option for panoramic sunroof, which is, of course, now basically standard on all Atlas trims. It’s one of the best features of Audi-Porsche-VW.

They quickly offered others, and I felt sorry for the suckers who bought the diluted Atlas Launch.

I’d actually prefer transparent (pre-rebate/credit) numbers to work from, adding features in the web-build utility. There are several threads about features, and I’ll just add that I’m marking Scout’s words that no panorama roofs will EVER be offered, because I’ll be a rubbish customer if they offer it one MY later.

 

[Lowengaard]

Another vote for quality leather! Just because it is an EV, does not mean I want vinyl/vegan leather.

If you are putting together packages, make them logical. Heated/ventilated seats should be paired with heated steering wheel. 360 degree cameras, and the ability to use them as dash cams.

Yeah I agree with the whole vegan leather thing. It’s way less sustainable than real leather and the vinyl stuff is just cheaply made.

 

[Lowengaard]

I hate going into threads like this. I end up sounding like I'm a simple cave man.
My wish list is small:
Heated/ventilated seats
Heated steering wheel
Backup camera
Nice speakers

Low importance things:
Infotainment is really out of hand lately. (Give me a port to connect my phone to. I can run everything from there.)
Some way to turn off the headlights so they aren't on all the time while driving
Some way to turn off the lightshow (if there is one), that just wastes power.

Totally agree, just keep it simple!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

It would be great if you built into the vehicle an upfitters system, including an open protocol and physical interface so accessories could just be plugged in and programmed. Not only would this make DIY modifications much easier, it would also extend accessibility solutions to many more people than a lot of other manufacturers bother with. Include several removeable firewall plugs so we're not poking holes in the firewall or gromets.

If I could plug in my mobile amateur radio to a power plug instead of having to run a bunch of extra wires, that would be fantastic. Even more fantastic is if there is a clean grounding plane for the antenna identified in an upfitter's manual somewhere.

If my friend could install their hand-controlled accelerator and brake solutions as plug-and-play instead of making major modifications, both physical and electrical, that would be brilliant.

 

[Mousehunter]

While it would surely be used for less than legal activities - a decent amount of the people who legally hunt at night (pest control in Texas is a big thing - feral hogs) with night vision would love a blackout mode, and blackout on an EV would be even nicer. Stealth.

 

[eightOne]

Cross-posting since it fits the modification side as well as the technology side:

Pre-outs and infotainment support for add-on subwoofer