My main dislikes is vehicle response when traveling over 55 mph and the fact that every rock that has ever hit my windshield has cracked it. Please slant the windshield 
What do you love or hate about other off-road vehicles
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One item I left out of my original list was colored brake calipers. I love how Rivian offers them stock in yellow. At least I am assuming they're stock as I've never seen a Rivian without them. I also noticed that the "Rivian" badge (the word not the logo) has a really neat yellow shadow to it. I had never noticed until yesterday but it looked really slick.
Rivian now uses the yellow accents to signify the Quad-Motor version, while the forthcoming Dual-Motor versions will get silver/black accents.
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Looks like SM color is orange. If it’s the right tone of orange I could get behind orange brake calipers
Likes - My wife has a JLURD, there is little I don't like about it other than the flimsy hard top. To be honest, it even gets reasonably good diesel mileage. We have taken vacations to both coasts with it - it has been great for family road trips. The JLURD is our second JLUR. The first one was nice - but had 2 additional dislikes - it did not have proximity entry and the LED headlights had so much spill we got high beamed by oncoming traffic 100's if not 1000's of times. Second JL apparently has better lights. It also has adaptive cruise control - nice on trips. Honestly, I dislike that Jeep never gave it a chance - they never stocked them on lots and only had orders open for brief periods over 2 years before cancelling them due to "lack of sale"
Likes - I have a LJ. I have upgraded the flimsy hard top so I could install a roof platform. I like that I can remove the rear seat and put a sleeping platform in it (why I did not get a second 4 door unlimited). I like that it can be flat towed. I like that it has better suspension, onboard air, better lockers, dual rate sway bar, and honestly is better offload all around than the JLURD. I don't like it's cab noise (working on it-upgrading the hard top helped a lot) or reliability (been chasing engine codes for over 2 years so far. Ok, I dislike the fact my 17 year old LJ probably has cost as much as the JLURD after all those upgrades. I also dislike that while it does great offroad - 80mph on the highway is pushing it - it really lacks hp. That said, it does it fine if it is firing on all 6 cylinders (see chasing engine codes)...
Dislikes - buying fuel.
I am not going to blame an offroad vehicle for not riding like a car. Unlimited Jeeps handle highways perfectly fine. Sure, if I am doing a road trip myself - I would probably just drive my TDI Golf - but the JLURD does just fine itself. My kids hate the TDI Golf - not enough AC gets to the back seats.
Likes - I have a LJ. I have upgraded the flimsy hard top so I could install a roof platform. I like that I can remove the rear seat and put a sleeping platform in it (why I did not get a second 4 door unlimited). I like that it can be flat towed. I like that it has better suspension, onboard air, better lockers, dual rate sway bar, and honestly is better offload all around than the JLURD. I don't like it's cab noise (working on it-upgrading the hard top helped a lot) or reliability (been chasing engine codes for over 2 years so far. Ok, I dislike the fact my 17 year old LJ probably has cost as much as the JLURD after all those upgrades. I also dislike that while it does great offroad - 80mph on the highway is pushing it - it really lacks hp. That said, it does it fine if it is firing on all 6 cylinders (see chasing engine codes)...
Dislikes - buying fuel.
I am not going to blame an offroad vehicle for not riding like a car. Unlimited Jeeps handle highways perfectly fine. Sure, if I am doing a road trip myself - I would probably just drive my TDI Golf - but the JLURD does just fine itself. My kids hate the TDI Golf - not enough AC gets to the back seats.
We have owned scouts with cut-up fenders and 37's, restored ones with 35's, and my dad currently has a two-door bronco sasquatch with 35's.
Likes:
- Large tires, I think 33's need to be standard with an option for 35's. I do not care about the decrease in range.
- The new bronco has the carpet delete option. This is awesome as I can get muddy all day and not worry about the floor.
- The new bronco also has the vinyl seat option, with the drain plugs in the floor. Ideal for washing it out after a long day.
- I like how jeep and bronco have kept the circular headlights, just like the originals
- Bead lock capable wheels on the ford raptors
- Locking differentials
- Short wheelbase, the 2-door bronco is just over 100", which is what the original scouts were
- Highly capable shocks, like Fox with remote reservoirs
- Front-facing camera
- Skid plates
- Extra storage, like the cubby beneath the bed in the Rivian R1T. Or the Rambox in the bed of the ram. Storage beneath the back seats would be awesome too, especially if it was lockable.
Dislikes:
- Seating position in the jeep is too close to the windshield
- Bronco interior grab bars are placed awkwardly
- Bronco soft top does not have perfect fitment and is a little noisy for a modern vehicle
- No heated seat options for the rear passengers, who get just as cold with the top down
- Ford Bronco "bed" behind seat is not rugged enough. I treat the back of scouts like a truck bed. I want to haul tools, animals, etc. back there without issues. Being able to fold the back seat forward and tuck behind the front seats to form a solid `3.5' bed would be awesome, I used it so much on my 79 that the back seat was practically never down.
Edit: In addition to the dislikes, I talked with my dad this weekend about his Bronco. He loves the 35" tires, but they are "rock-flingers" as he called them. Which would not be a problem, but Ford must not have thought about this when offering the option to upgrade to the larger tires because they are shooting up and chipping the paint on his door. He said some mud flaps, or slightly larger fenders would be a huge help with the larger tires. When I order my scout, I will get the biggest tires possible, just want to make sure this does not cause my brand new paint to be chipped.
Likes:
- Large tires, I think 33's need to be standard with an option for 35's. I do not care about the decrease in range.
- The new bronco has the carpet delete option. This is awesome as I can get muddy all day and not worry about the floor.
- The new bronco also has the vinyl seat option, with the drain plugs in the floor. Ideal for washing it out after a long day.
- I like how jeep and bronco have kept the circular headlights, just like the originals
- Bead lock capable wheels on the ford raptors
- Locking differentials
- Short wheelbase, the 2-door bronco is just over 100", which is what the original scouts were
- Highly capable shocks, like Fox with remote reservoirs
- Front-facing camera
- Skid plates
- Extra storage, like the cubby beneath the bed in the Rivian R1T. Or the Rambox in the bed of the ram. Storage beneath the back seats would be awesome too, especially if it was lockable.
Dislikes:
- Seating position in the jeep is too close to the windshield
- Bronco interior grab bars are placed awkwardly
- Bronco soft top does not have perfect fitment and is a little noisy for a modern vehicle
- No heated seat options for the rear passengers, who get just as cold with the top down
- Ford Bronco "bed" behind seat is not rugged enough. I treat the back of scouts like a truck bed. I want to haul tools, animals, etc. back there without issues. Being able to fold the back seat forward and tuck behind the front seats to form a solid `3.5' bed would be awesome, I used it so much on my 79 that the back seat was practically never down.
Edit: In addition to the dislikes, I talked with my dad this weekend about his Bronco. He loves the 35" tires, but they are "rock-flingers" as he called them. Which would not be a problem, but Ford must not have thought about this when offering the option to upgrade to the larger tires because they are shooting up and chipping the paint on his door. He said some mud flaps, or slightly larger fenders would be a huge help with the larger tires. When I order my scout, I will get the biggest tires possible, just want to make sure this does not cause my brand new paint to be chipped.
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So saw the 2024 Bronco Raptor. Color is pretty cool. Graphics are NOT my thing nor the orange rims but to each his own.
That said two things I really really like. Similar to Porsche I like the idea of one or two accent seatbelt straps. Maybe one in similar dull orange that matches the Scout logo color and maybe another color. Might be a cool “make it my own” feature. Especially with vintage look plaid seats.
Secondly, and I’m pretty sure it’s just the lighting (99%) but i love how just the top panel looks like a pale silver/gray. Generally I’m iffy about a white roof with so much black plastic but in the video and with the green color I really like how it looks as a silver gray top. Maybe something to consider as a color.
I also like the painted silver accents on this Bronco. Maybe a darker gun metal gray could satisfy my want for a chrome package if done really well. Too much silver painted chrome doesn’t look great but if balanced I think it could make for a great look
That said two things I really really like. Similar to Porsche I like the idea of one or two accent seatbelt straps. Maybe one in similar dull orange that matches the Scout logo color and maybe another color. Might be a cool “make it my own” feature. Especially with vintage look plaid seats.
Secondly, and I’m pretty sure it’s just the lighting (99%) but i love how just the top panel looks like a pale silver/gray. Generally I’m iffy about a white roof with so much black plastic but in the video and with the green color I really like how it looks as a silver gray top. Maybe something to consider as a color.
I also like the painted silver accents on this Bronco. Maybe a darker gun metal gray could satisfy my want for a chrome package if done really well. Too much silver painted chrome doesn’t look great but if balanced I think it could make for a great look
For off road, just lift it and put bigger tires on it. Everyone does it anyway, might as well have it right from the start.
ColorSo saw the 2024 Bronco Raptor. Color is pretty cool. Graphics are NOT my thing nor the orange rims but to each his own.
That said two things I really really like. Similar to Porsche I like the idea of one or two accent seatbelt straps. Maybe one in similar dull orange that matches the Scout logo color and maybe another color. Might be a cool “make it my own” feature. Especially with vintage look plaid seats.
Secondly, and I’m pretty sure it’s just the lighting (99%) but i love how just the top panel looks like a pale silver/gray. Generally I’m iffy about a white roof with so much black plastic but in the video and with the green color I really like how it looks as a silver gray top. Maybe something to consider as a color.
I also like the painted silver accents on this Bronco. Maybe a darker gun metal gray could satisfy my want for a chrome package if done really well. Too much silver painted chrome doesn’t look great but if balanced I think it could make for a great look
Front bumper options
Seatbelt accents
Massive fender flares
- personally never been a fan. I do like how the Bronco has set it up so fenders are easily changeable for the consumers wants.
I wanted to add onto my initial list with some Rivian items I think are super cool.
- Hidden items (portable speaker, flashlight)
- Air compressor in bed that displays PSI (SO cool)
- Storage solutions (gear tunnel, frunk)
- Tank turn (has not come out yet, but SM could beat them to the punch!)
Not to mention the non-off-road items which are super cool:
- The keys (fob, key card, app, bracelet)
Back to the original question. I'm thinking about my '65 and '66 Scouts 80/800 vs. my Toyota products.
First, the Scouts had all the well documented "built-in" rust generators: door drains that didn't drain, salt and dirt collector spaces around gas tanks, water drains directed at doubled sheetmetal without drains (kick panels), etc., etc. The designers need to bring in a third-party reviewer to find all the places where dirt(aka salt) can gather.
On the positive side, those old Scouts were pretty rodent proof. The air intakes had screens. The oil bath air filter wasn't a cozy seed storage silo. Yes, there were enticing holes in the bottom of the seats, but they were easy to limit with a scrap of hardware cloth and a stapler. Today's vehicles have tasty soy based wire insulation, cozy warm covers over the fuse panels, tasty blown-on firewall insulation, and the mechanics who tear out dashes to get rodent nests out of the heat ducts and cabin air filters tell me that there are so many access points that they couldn't possibly screen them all. Some of us are privileged to live with these critters, we just prefer to not provide housing and food when we park our vehicles. It's fine when the field mouse shucks his acorns and hazelnuts in my garage, but it's not fine for him to get the soy sauce from my vehicle's wires.
Please, Scout Motors, ask in other regions what other wildlife invaders are troublesome there, then add preventative planning to your design.
First, the Scouts had all the well documented "built-in" rust generators: door drains that didn't drain, salt and dirt collector spaces around gas tanks, water drains directed at doubled sheetmetal without drains (kick panels), etc., etc. The designers need to bring in a third-party reviewer to find all the places where dirt(aka salt) can gather.
On the positive side, those old Scouts were pretty rodent proof. The air intakes had screens. The oil bath air filter wasn't a cozy seed storage silo. Yes, there were enticing holes in the bottom of the seats, but they were easy to limit with a scrap of hardware cloth and a stapler. Today's vehicles have tasty soy based wire insulation, cozy warm covers over the fuse panels, tasty blown-on firewall insulation, and the mechanics who tear out dashes to get rodent nests out of the heat ducts and cabin air filters tell me that there are so many access points that they couldn't possibly screen them all. Some of us are privileged to live with these critters, we just prefer to not provide housing and food when we park our vehicles. It's fine when the field mouse shucks his acorns and hazelnuts in my garage, but it's not fine for him to get the soy sauce from my vehicle's wires.
Please, Scout Motors, ask in other regions what other wildlife invaders are troublesome there, then add preventative planning to your design.
I think your large scale rust worries are history in this day and age.
We will do our best go keep the wildlife out and enable you to drive to the wildlife...
We will do our best go keep the wildlife out and enable you to drive to the wildlife...
Rodent intrusion is a very real issue. We deal with it constantly in the tractor and construction equipment world. I hope that SM is listening!!!!
That's what they said about the big plastic wheel well liners .... until we took one down and found all the caked silt above it.
Modern cars can have 1000 computer chips, I'm sure modern EV's have more.
Rivian has a wading depth of 42.7 inches
Yes
Parts are always harder to come by and more expensive with EV's it seems. Probably less of an issue with VW backing and a later launch than initial EV trucks
I love how my LR4 drives both on road AND off road. Most of us don’t have the luxury of having a dedicated off road rig so the ability to drive every day in comfort and know that it will tackle pretty much anything reasonable off road is great. While the height adjustable air suspension has its challenges, I think it’s a great system and provides the owner even greater flexibility (still fitting in a garage but maximizing ground clearance on the trail).
Also…lockers are awesome.
Also…lockers are awesome.
This is a great idea, but also look at satellite direct to cell - I have this on my Pixel, iPhones have this, and I'm in the space industry and can tell you that in 2-3 years messaging support of not voice and message support (but not full 5G bandwidth) will be common.
This will be table stakes in 5 years for SOS so might as well lead the market here.
One of the things I love about my LR3 is the air suspension. I can drop it down to let the kids easily in and out, keep it at a decent height for 98% of usage, and then put it into off-road height when I want some extra clearance.
Edit to add: I also love the fact that the LR levels itself out no matter what is loaded in the trunk or on the roof. My headlights don't end up aiming into the sky when I'm loaded up with 12 bags of soil. No squatting or sagging.
Regarding piped in noise, please give the option to turn off any fake or simulated motor noises that are played inside the cabin. I’m fairly certain the slow-speed external noise is required for electric vehicles, but the simulated stuff is a bit much
Edit to add: I also love the fact that the LR levels itself out no matter what is loaded in the trunk or on the roof. My headlights don't end up aiming into the sky when I'm loaded up with 12 bags of soil. No squatting or sagging.
Regarding piped in noise, please give the option to turn off any fake or simulated motor noises that are played inside the cabin. I’m fairly certain the slow-speed external noise is required for electric vehicles, but the simulated stuff is a bit much
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1. Less plastic, more function. I have a love/hate relationship with my Bronco interior. I hate that the plastic inside gets scratched easily. Please make a long lasting interior. It’s easy to clean with the washout interior. I’ve learned I don’t like carpet in my cars.
2. Add tons of water bottle space (maybe an expanding cup/bottle holder). Bonus points if it cools the bottle.
3. Add cool water bottle hooks that can also hold a purse or grocery bags. (I have several cheap hooks from Amazon that connect to the seat headrest post)
Something nicer and more durable that was integrated would help.
4. Love the quiet All/terrain tires on my Bronco. I like that they’re beefy enough for off road but smooth riding on the interstate.
5. I would like to see a push button air lift for the suspension ( something like the Range Rovers electronic air suspension system that adjusts the height of the suspension to raise or lower the vehicle)
6. Love any plug n play accessory acces.
2. Add tons of water bottle space (maybe an expanding cup/bottle holder). Bonus points if it cools the bottle.
3. Add cool water bottle hooks that can also hold a purse or grocery bags. (I have several cheap hooks from Amazon that connect to the seat headrest post)
Something nicer and more durable that was integrated would help.
4. Love the quiet All/terrain tires on my Bronco. I like that they’re beefy enough for off road but smooth riding on the interstate.
5. I would like to see a push button air lift for the suspension ( something like the Range Rovers electronic air suspension system that adjusts the height of the suspension to raise or lower the vehicle)
6. Love any plug n play accessory acces.
I hope Scout will create a tiered structure that balances affordability with some degree of luxury that a lot of people using their rigs as daily drivers have come to expect (good sound isolation/comfortable interior with quality materials/acc/lane departure warning/heated[cooled!] seats, etc).
While I want a truck that is rugged and reliable, I don’t want to spend $60k for a rubber floor, plastic no-scratch interior and no creature comforts (based on the reveal I think Scout gets this).
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