Scout Motors - who are your competitors?

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Nostalgia marking goes back way before the Bronco. The Mustang took hints from the Mach I, the Camero ditched 3 decades of design to take hints for the late 60's and early 70's.

Perhaps CAT is going to make a truck, but I googled a youtube video on them, and it was showing 4 or 5 different designs and not really indicating which truck they might make. That said, while some of the designs would certainly have a following - I did not see any that really appeared to be a work truck. The ground clearance claimed did not match the ground clearance illustrated - and virtually none had any real suspention travel apparent. And honestly, I almost never see a work truck with steps - the only reason to put those on a vehicle that low to the ground is to hide something.

One thing Scout has going for it in the EV segment is it is a ground up EV. Adapting existing lines to electric means accepting compromises - that will eventually cost money producing and cost performance. Tesla did it right, and perhaps Rivan. Lightning reviews made it pretty clear why Ford halted sales on them - they were a nightmare. That said - same goes for the early reviews of VW's ID series. Hard to excuse a car company that makes a new vehicle that randomly bricks itself. It makes getting a first year of a new design scary as hell. At least the Tesla brick reports tended to have a reason - long term storage with a discharged battery.

I can hope that this forum is the target market. I fear that this forum is a niche and the target market will be something other than us - something broader, but also something less ambitious. We will know a lot more later this week.

Personally I hope they target the Wrangler, Bronco, and maybe possibly the 4Runner/Land Cruiser market with a functional EV alternative (simular offroad performance with an acceptable range). The closest to that now is the Rivian - and most of us don't really see it as an offroad vehicle. Perhaps it is possible to do, perhaps we are a generation of battery tech away from possible (the weight of the batteries is still almost a killer). It is a small market - but an open one. If they go after the broader SUV segment - they will be one in a crowd, nostalgia will not save them - the broader SUV market DOES NOT CARE. They will need to be exceptional to stand out - and exceptional rarely comes at a competitive price. At that point, maybe they should just try to make a functional EV minivan (which sorry, but VW had the chance, swung, missed, fell on the ground, and broke it's leg - and I really was hoping for the promised ID Buzz, not the abortion they came out with, not to mention missing the price range by 50% and the range by almost as much).
 
It’s only possible for a person to feel nostalgic if they personally experienced something before because nostalgia involves re-living memories.

Only a small percentage of new car buyers are likely to have owned a Scout or have a family member that owned one. A much larger percentage will recall seeing them around but might not have a strong emotional attachment or strong memories to re-live. Some percentage will not know or remember Scout at all.

The target market has to be wider than Scout enthusiasts.

Even for people that never experienced the Scouts of decades ago the idea of bringing back something cool from the past is very appealing - but it’s not nostalgia. A better word might be heritage.

I think Scout Motors celebrates the past but they are not always looking backwards. They are building for the future.
 
Nostalgia marking goes back way before the Bronco. The Mustang took hints from the Mach I, the Camero ditched 3 decades of design to take hints for the late 60's and early 70's.
You make some good points - the Nostalgia play has been around for some time - even with pick ups! Remember this abomination?


The great thing about the Scout is actually all of the missing time between 1980 and now... The vacuum is creating a back to the future time warp for launch and makes this potentially an even bigger leap forward (since Scout won't be encumbered by all the years that have passed and has no legacy during the void years to contend with)
Tesla did it right, and perhaps Rivan.

Putting design and aesthetics aside, I'm not much of a believer in Tesla's approach (or that they did it "right"). In fact I am extremely skeptical on the Cybertruck in general, and I would say that there are a lot of lessons that Scout can take from both Rivian's launch and the Cybertruck's launch.

I watched this all unfold as an early reservation holder for my R1T. Rivian seemed to take a different approach in that they wanted to allow others to test the limits of the truck out in the wild. I'm sure a good deal of the testing was "curated" to some extent, but when they set out to run the R1T from Tierra Del Fuego to LA in the Long Way Up, my confidence grew (as one example).

The debacle that was the Cybertruck launch will likely never be emulated by anyone ever again - other than maybe Tesla (or Elon). First, and perhaps most importantly, Elon lied non-stop to reservation holders for years. The timing for the CT release date and the base pricing being the most egregious of the lies. But then he lied about spec's, leading right up to the bullet proof glass incident at launch. This was all pre-delivery to customers, so if you're trying to gather reservations (with no obligations), lying is one tactic - it's just not one that builds confidence in me personally - particularly for a long-term relationship with a manufacturer based on a significant purchase. Rivian (almost) fell into that rat hole when they realized costs were increasing over time, and they tried to make a pricing adjustment to early reservation holders. They could have (since there was no obligation), but they saw the pushback they were getting and course-corrected and honored early pricing. Tesla? not so much.

Now that there are Cybertrucks trickling out, it seems like the issues with recalls are ramping up dramatically. All of that said, the most disturbing part of having this "truck" driving around in the real world on the road is how the tow structure and frame assembly were engineered (or NOT engineered) and appear extremely compromised. I'm not confident that driving behind a Cybertruck with a trailer will ever be safe. But prove me wrong - I know there is a ton of misinformation on the internet and so many opposing factions. But from what I have seen, I will not be driving behind any Cybertruck towing anything, anytime soon.

Just another reason to be excited for Scout, and that they are thinking about ruggedness and "truckness" as a huge dfifferentiator. I will be the first to admit that my Rivian is a little "too nice" for my lifestyle. I baby it a lot and worry about theair suspension, nicking the paint and aluminum panels. Maybe that is a good thing. LOL
 
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It’s only possible for a person to feel nostalgic if they personally experienced something before because nostalgia involves re-living memories.

Only a small percentage of new car buyers are likely to have owned a Scout or have a family member that owned one. A much larger percentage will recall seeing them around but might not have a strong emotional attachment or strong memories to re-live. Some percentage will not know or remember Scout at all.

The target market has to be wider than Scout enthusiasts.

Even for people that never experienced the Scouts of decades ago the idea of bringing back something cool from the past is very appealing - but it’s not nostalgia. A better word might be heritage.

I think Scout Motors celebrates the past but they are not always looking backwards. They are building for the future.
Apparently there's a word for feeling nostalgic about something/time you've never experienced. It's anemoia.

I'd definitely say I have it. I've never driven or riden in a Scout, just seen one sit flat tires behind a corncrib. I only had about 4 years of looking at it as well. But that is probably more of a connection than most future buyers will have with the International Harvester Scouts.
 
I think, in a broad sense, the pickup truck market is pretty comprehensive and you hit on competitors that make sense in parts and more directly for the SUV. We have said we are starting with 4-door versions of the pickup truck and the rugged SUV. We've also said they will be body on ladder-frame chassis. So there will be similarities to some other vehicles on the market and departures from a lot of unibody competitors as well. We think there are some unique opportunities to blend the best of many and stand on our own heritage.
I’ve searched through the forum and have yet to find Scout Motors’ confirmation of the vehicles that have been benchmarked for the SUV and pickup designs. Quite a bit of time has passed now - @Jamie@ScoutMotors are you able to relay which vehicles were benchmarked?
 
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I’ve searched through the forum and have yet to find Scout Motors’ confirmation of the vehicles that have been benchmarked for the SUV and pickup designs. Quite a bit of time has passed now - @Jamie@ScoutMotors are you able to relay which vehicles were benchmarked?
Honestly, all of them. Pickup trucks are pretty straightforward. The Traveler competes with a wider range of vehicles, some cheaper and some considerably more expensive.
 
Thank you. I remember reading through that one, but the link says “site can’t be reached” for me so I’ll go take a second look at the thread to see what I missed.
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You make some good points - the Nostalgia play has been around for some time - even with pick ups! Remember this abomination?


The great thing about the Scout is actually all of the missing time between 1980 and now... The vacuum is creating a back to the future time warp for launch and makes this potentially an even bigger leap forward (since Scout won't be encumbered by all the years that have passed and has no legacy during the void years to contend with)


Putting design and aesthetics aside, I'm not much of a believer in Tesla's approach (or that they did it "right"). In fact I am extremely skeptical on the Cybertruck in general, and I would say that there are a lot of lessons that Scout can take from both Rivian's launch and the Cybertruck's launch.

I watched this all unfold as an early reservation holder for my R1T. Rivian seemed to take a different approach in that they wanted to allow others to test the limits of the truck out in the wild. I'm sure a good deal of the testing was "curated" to some extent, but when they set out to run the R1T from Tierra Del Fuego to LA in the Long Way Up, my confidence grew (as one example).

The debacle that was the Cybertruck launch will likely never be emulated by anyone ever again - other than maybe Tesla (or Elon). First, and perhaps most importantly, Elon lied non-stop to reservation holders for years. The timing for the CT release date and the base pricing being the most egregious of the lies. But then he lied about spec's, leading right up to the bullet proof glass incident at launch. This was all pre-delivery to customers, so if you're trying to gather reservations (with no obligations), lying is one tactic - it's just not one that builds confidence in me personally - particularly for a long-term relationship with a manufacturer based on a significant purchase. Rivian (almost) fell into that rat hole when they realized costs were increasing over time, and they tried to make a pricing adjustment to early reservation holders. They could have (since there was no obligation), but they saw the pushback they were getting and course-corrected and honored early pricing. Tesla? not so much.

Now that there are Cybertrucks trickling out, it seems like the issues with recalls are ramping up dramatically. All of that said, the most disturbing part of having this "truck" driving around in the real world on the road is how the tow structure and frame assembly were engineered (or NOT engineered) and appear extremely compromised. I'm not confident that driving behind a Cybertruck with a trailer will ever be safe. But prove me wrong - I know there is a ton of misinformation on the internet and so many opposing factions. But from what I have seen, I will not be driving behind any Cybertruck towing anything, anytime soon.

Just another reason to be excited for Scout, and that they are thinking about ruggedness and "truckness" as a huge dfifferentiator. I will be the first to admit that my Rivian is a little "too nice" for my lifestyle. I baby it a lot and worry about theair suspension, nicking the paint and aluminum panels. Maybe that is a good thing. LOL
I agree with pretty much everything said here.

I think Ford did its Lightning release right as well. It's not an off-roader by any means, but it's a great truck (with a few things I'd like to see done differently). And it meets the demands of Ford's customers that makes the transition from gas to electric much more straight-forward. It's surprising how attached to looks some people can be...
 
Originally thought that the Scout would target the Wrangler/Bronco market - but this is what I think they are actually targeting
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2025 Z71 Tahoe. The dimentions of this are very close to the Traveler. Price range is close too :(

Not really. Traveler is a big 2 row SUV, and Tahoe is a big 3 row SUV.

Traveler is 190.9" long (excluding the optional spare tire carrier), while the Tahoe is 211.3" long, which is more than a foot and a half longer. That's NOT very close.

The Scout actually closer to (though larger) the 4 Door Bronco.

It's even closer to:

Jeep Grand Cherokee (193.5").
Toyota Land Cruiser (196.5").
Toyota 4Runner (191.3 old gen).

Those all seems similar size/mission, though none are EVs (GX has PHVE 4XE).

Jeep has the Recon off-road oriented BEV that should be a similar size/mission coming next year.
 
Our honda pilot (3-row) is 200” long and I don’t think it feels that large so the Traveler is definitely shorter. That said, on the 35’s at the reveal it had a presence which surely was due to the height and vertical feel of the SUV
Perhaps it presented as a moose, but is more like an average-large horse?

Man, we need VR models to give a sense of scale. I’d even take giant paper cutouts that require like 56 pages to print out and tape together.
 
Perhaps it presented as a moose, but is more like an average-large horse?

Man, we need VR models to give a sense of scale. I’d even take giant paper cutouts that require like 56 pages to print out and tape together.
Agreed. If you watch the video commercial that was shown at reveal (but tv version because it shows new scout) has the woman there and she must not be terribly tall because the traveler looks HUGE next to her. Like “need a step ladder” tall for her
 
Perhaps it presented as a moose, but is more like an average-large horse?

Man, we need VR models to give a sense of scale. I’d even take giant paper cutouts that require like 56 pages to print out and tape together.

Yes, I’m ready for some comparison graphics. Someone did one on here with a Rivian I think???? I mean an overlay size comparison.
 
Jeep Grand Cherokee (193.5").
Toyota Land Cruiser (196.5").
Toyota 4Runner (191.3 old gen).
This is clearly the competition, along with one of the Rivian (1 or 2).

As for nostalgia, you certainly don’t need to have owned a Scout to feel nostalgic about it. Heck, just seeing the speedometer will make many feel nostalgic.
 
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This is clearly the competition, along with one of the Rivian (1 or 2).

As for nostalgia, you certainly don’t need to have owned a Scout to feel nostalgic about it. Heck, just seeing the speedometer will make many feel nostalgic.
I agree on size but doesn’t the Jeep offer 3-row? Only one I might consider dropping from the group but having seen it in person these are fair comparisons. I’d almost consider the Nissan Pathfinder but is a bit too soft-early 2,000’s Nissan would be fair 🤣
 
I agree on size but doesn’t the Jeep offer 3-row? Only one I might consider dropping from the group but having seen it in person these are fair comparisons. I’d almost consider the Nissan Pathfinder but is a bit too soft-early 2,000’s Nissan would be fair 🤣

Grand Cherokee is 2 row, and 193.5".

Grand Cherokee L is 3 row, and ~205 inches long.
 
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