I use my power sunroof regularly to vent on a hot day or enjoy the evening air. @Jamie@ScoutMotors could we start a poll for roof options?
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Well of course it's not the same - neither is a Bronco soft top. My point was about soft tops in general. With my top, even though it was only soft/retractable over the driver and passenger it still made a huge difference letting in more wind/road noise vs. the hard top panels.
i would think thats part of the compromise. you get the option to open it up but it comes with the extra wind noise when closed. i would think its probably best for warmer climates where it doesnt rain as much.
I guess I'm just biased - I really wanted to love it, but it's just a huge hassle for lots of reasons. I have a regular sunroof on my Telluride and that's all the open air I need. All the benefits without the issues. But hey, hopefully Scout offers some options here. I'd love it if they have the cabana top, traditional metal w/sunroof, and panoramic glass all as options but I seriously doubt it for the first year of production.
This would probably meet the needs of most daily commuters, but 150 is a substantial drop from 350. I was hoping for a little more battery only range.
I know it is really early, but a couple of questions about the harvester option.
Any idea how big the gas tank will be and how long the generator will run on a full tank?
Can you clarify if you can drive indefinitely on gas with the harvester option without charging? I ask because I take a few long road trips each year that have me driving 600-650 miles in a day, two days in a row. Just wondering what that will look like in one of these.
I second whoever said the generator needs to be available while parked for self charging as well as powering other things.
Please make this thing quiet on the highway with good manners. I have to live with a good bit of road noise in my Jeep (and Bronco) on the highway.
I have many of the same questions as Scout2. I imagine it’s too early to know or confirm some or all of these bits. I’m watching though because it’s not uncommon for my family to set out on a 1,000+ mile one-way road trip. While towing a travel trailer. So, all of these elements will be incredibly important to us. We are also typically dry camping so that adds another element to all of it.
There has been a discussion that the glass will have a heat reflective/thermal protection that will keep the cabin from getting too hot. This is a fairly common technology in the automotive industry.
Three tops were discussed.
Full steel top
Cabana sliding fabric top
Fixed glass panoramic top
Maybe those will change by production time.
I figure that is enough choice to make most of the market happy.
How solid is this? Throwing in my feedback here that Id rather have more battery and only sacrifice enough to accommodate that 500 range estimate. In my use case I would be 90% battery and use the gas for extended journeys or when towing on vacation.
In my humble opinion, the full electric version will probably work for you.
I think the real difference for pure EV vs Harvester largely comes down to customer understanding/perceptions of range anxiety, existing EV infrastructure, and recharge times.
Because EV's are still not widely adopted some of this is simply lack of info/experience, but I already see pure EV 'believers' speaking 'down' to folks like me who have these concerns, dismissing them as 'just not understanding' and that is not going to help adoption IMO. The 'education'/informing process needs to be less evangelical and not dismissive of stated concerns.
Speaking for myself personally, I was not interested in the pure EV, full stop, even though I absolutely loved the design as soon as they pulled onto the stage. I put a reservation in ONLY because the Harvester option has been offered.
This is partly because my use case includes overlanding/towing and stopping to spend an hour at a charger every 2 hours while towing a trailer simply isn't acceptable when you are a working stiff trying to get somewhere to have fun with your toys. Adding half a day travel time, each way, for a trip to Colorado for example, ultimately means less trips for me.
This could change if the charging infrastructure followed not just the major highways but supported the older Route 66 type networks because at least then you could conceivably spend time checking out the smaller towns while charging.
I do understand the higher voltage architecture should allow for shorter recharge times, but even then it seems like the last 20% of charge takes a LONG time compared to say 20-80%, so after that first leg you are looking at shorter legs which means more stops.
It definitely seems like the charging infrastructure is improving but there are countless horror stories about stations being down or charging at half or lower rate etc., all of which simply is not the case for gas/diesel vehicles at this point.
All this to say, Harvester was key for me - I am very happy that Scout realized what the overall customer base was saying and responded.
Because EV's are still not widely adopted some of this is simply lack of info/experience, but I already see pure EV 'believers' speaking 'down' to folks like me who have these concerns, dismissing them as 'just not understanding' and that is not going to help adoption IMO. The 'education'/informing process needs to be less evangelical and not dismissive of stated concerns.
Speaking for myself personally, I was not interested in the pure EV, full stop, even though I absolutely loved the design as soon as they pulled onto the stage. I put a reservation in ONLY because the Harvester option has been offered.
This is partly because my use case includes overlanding/towing and stopping to spend an hour at a charger every 2 hours while towing a trailer simply isn't acceptable when you are a working stiff trying to get somewhere to have fun with your toys. Adding half a day travel time, each way, for a trip to Colorado for example, ultimately means less trips for me.
This could change if the charging infrastructure followed not just the major highways but supported the older Route 66 type networks because at least then you could conceivably spend time checking out the smaller towns while charging.
I do understand the higher voltage architecture should allow for shorter recharge times, but even then it seems like the last 20% of charge takes a LONG time compared to say 20-80%, so after that first leg you are looking at shorter legs which means more stops.
It definitely seems like the charging infrastructure is improving but there are countless horror stories about stations being down or charging at half or lower rate etc., all of which simply is not the case for gas/diesel vehicles at this point.
All this to say, Harvester was key for me - I am very happy that Scout realized what the overall customer base was saying and responded.
Well said, DISCO!
I absolutely hope I do not sound condescending. I hope to answer questions and be a productive member of this community. I’ve daily driven EVs since 2019, but still have fun with old Jeeps and BMWs. I want to lend real world experiences to those that have questions and concerns!
Thank you, it is very much appreciated!I absolutely hope I do not sound condescending. I hope to answer questions and be a productive member of this community. I’ve daily driven EVs since 2019, but still have fun with old Jeeps and BMWs. I want to lend real world experiences to those that have questions and concerns!
I replied to another member in this same thread, but I’m here to help. Seriously, if you have EV questions this group is great! Not just EV questions but anything. We have a great group and have a lot of fun in a good environment. Haters don’t last long!
I also would have a little more Battery range. Also will having the Harvester lower the performance output from the motors?
@Jamie@ScoutMotors A have a few questions:
- Can you tell us what the Scout engineers think will be the minimum output power (in kWh) of the Harvester?
- Will the Harvester directly power the electric motors or will in power only the battery?
Pretty sure its been stated the Harvester wont power the electric motors. Can't recall where I heard that though.
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