Entry Model Specs, Premium Model Price?
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The guy you voted for got elected because people were mad about high prices. I’m mad about what I see are needlessly high prices that make something that was a utilitarian vehicle meant for anyone and everyone become something that is only available to the elite. You know, the people that weren’t paying attention to the people who couldn’t afford stuff.
I don’t believe that this is a political statement, but it is definitely subjective. I’m not going to keep testing the forum’s patience because I like posting here.
I imagine thats at the "royal everyone" so to speak.
Most people I've spoken with about the Scout, seem to think the versions that were presented will likely be well over the $60k (before incentives) price that they quoted.
Personally, I'm inclined to agree. I don't think they showed the projected base model, and I know that pricing often changes.
That said, I am trying to be optimistic about much of this, and that the base trim will be low enough in price that I can get onboard, and also isn't horribly stripped down (manual door locks ???
).
Would be great if we get true a la carte options that are not only available as part of specific trim packages - but we're all still putting the cart before the horse since we won't have more solid pricing I suspect for 18 months at best.
My JKU is in great shape so I am not in a hurry - if I can afford it I will take a position on a Traveler Harvester for the earliest delivery I can, if I can't afford it, I won't.
And by afford I am not only talking about what is financially 'possible', there is also a mental aspect of perceived value for money, my scale was calibrated when I started driving in the early 80's, so the idea of $100K vehicles is just nuts to me - heck, even my airplane was only $60K when I bought it.
As I said before, I think the entire auto industry is in a self-generated pickle right now, they have essentially priced-gouged themselves out of business as evidenced by the historical level of unsold inventory, including 'new' '23 models still on the lots as '25's are rolling off the truck - average people, even those in the top 10% of wage earners, are simply not able or at least not willing to plunk down $90K for a Wrangler or Bronco or F150 Raptor no matter how cool it is.
My JKU is in great shape so I am not in a hurry - if I can afford it I will take a position on a Traveler Harvester for the earliest delivery I can, if I can't afford it, I won't.
And by afford I am not only talking about what is financially 'possible', there is also a mental aspect of perceived value for money, my scale was calibrated when I started driving in the early 80's, so the idea of $100K vehicles is just nuts to me - heck, even my airplane was only $60K when I bought it.
As I said before, I think the entire auto industry is in a self-generated pickle right now, they have essentially priced-gouged themselves out of business as evidenced by the historical level of unsold inventory, including 'new' '23 models still on the lots as '25's are rolling off the truck - average people, even those in the top 10% of wage earners, are simply not able or at least not willing to plunk down $90K for a Wrangler or Bronco or F150 Raptor no matter how cool it is.
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I agree with you to some extent. And low prices are what everyone wants.
Being mad about high prices, and voting for the guy who wants to put 10-20% tariff on everything, is kind of self defeating...
That’s a bit political for the forum.
I agree. Though I did laugh
If you kids don’t stop arguing about politics in the back seat I’ll pull the car over-Right Now!!!!
Let’s get off of that topic, and let’s worry that VW seems it might be going out of business with strikes and plants closing. @Jamie@ScoutMotors what does Scouts future look like with this going on?
Thanks. I appreciate you saying this. What got under my goat was “debbie downer:” it makes my skin crawl to read it or hear it.
Affording stuff is just about perfect.
in terms of "Launch" for the new Scout, and in terms of tooling for the new factory and optimally building the first tranche of new Scouts, I would not envision all kinds of optionality out of the gate, but this is just a guess. Also, and from a slightly different perspective in terms of perceived brand value and bringing the Scout logo back to consumers, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Scout will likely want to make its re-birth or reemergence into the truck market with something that looks a lot like what was revealed (and doesn't look like a "bronco sport" version of the truck). I would envision them rolling out the initial slug of trucks like Rivian did it with the R1T and R1S as "launch edition" or "first edition" type vehicles (then the subsequent launch of other lower priced trim levels). If you don't want that initial version of the Scout, perhaps you just retain your place in the build line for whatever they option-out next at assembly.
This is all speculation, and maybe it sounds controversial, but if this is the case, the initial set of new Scout buyers might benefit from nicely equipped trucks at a justifiable & fair price-point (based on options & what the first models will include). This will of course irk some buyers hoping to see a more bare-boned truck or a model that is equipped differently straight out of the gate at a lower price point. But it is important for Scout to think about perception and initial response from the market, as well as easier servicing for trucks that roll off the line and have similar configurations. You know what they say about 1st impressions.
This is all speculation, and maybe it sounds controversial, but if this is the case, the initial set of new Scout buyers might benefit from nicely equipped trucks at a justifiable & fair price-point (based on options & what the first models will include). This will of course irk some buyers hoping to see a more bare-boned truck or a model that is equipped differently straight out of the gate at a lower price point. But it is important for Scout to think about perception and initial response from the market, as well as easier servicing for trucks that roll off the line and have similar configurations. You know what they say about 1st impressions.
There are several classes of options. A few might have high production costs (next gen batteries). Some might be highly divisive (glass roof, vehicle lift) - either due to their changes in ascetics, performance, or ergonomics. Many are simply ways of creating market segmentation. The marginal costs are low, but they allow a builder to make significant price points for the final product (proximity entry vs remote entry - everything but a low cost receiver in the door handles is already built in).
Direct marketing could help defeat the model T mindset - you can have any color, as long as it is black. But even Tesla has kept some of that - with decent mark up for color options...
Many years ago, when I was a young CPA - I got to audit car dealerships for a good part of a year. It was enlightening. $5 parts being sold as multiple $100 dollar add ons. Features applied to all vehicles, but being sold to customers if they thought the customer would pay for them (in this case it was scotch guard and undercoating at that dealership - the price to apply it was so low, they applied it to 100% of their vehicles at receiving - but only "sold" it to customers who did not refuse to pay extra for it. The vast majority of the customers just paid for it not knowing it was already on the vehicle). "Custom" vehicles that had 80% markup on their custom features - while the vast majority of the vehicles had barely enough markup to pay the sales commission (but ended up with a good amount of profit due to dealer add on's - but everything was a dealer add-on, even AC and radio).
Direct marketing could help defeat the model T mindset - you can have any color, as long as it is black. But even Tesla has kept some of that - with decent mark up for color options...
Many years ago, when I was a young CPA - I got to audit car dealerships for a good part of a year. It was enlightening. $5 parts being sold as multiple $100 dollar add ons. Features applied to all vehicles, but being sold to customers if they thought the customer would pay for them (in this case it was scotch guard and undercoating at that dealership - the price to apply it was so low, they applied it to 100% of their vehicles at receiving - but only "sold" it to customers who did not refuse to pay extra for it. The vast majority of the customers just paid for it not knowing it was already on the vehicle). "Custom" vehicles that had 80% markup on their custom features - while the vast majority of the vehicles had barely enough markup to pay the sales commission (but ended up with a good amount of profit due to dealer add on's - but everything was a dealer add-on, even AC and radio).
To clarify.
Are you postulating that the "Launch Edition" would be offered at a relatively high trim level, but at potentially artificially low price points, to drive home the perceived value for the initial reservation holders?
I only ask because, yes, that sort of happened for Rivians (AFAIK). But I didn't think that was much of a "planned event", as it was "they had reservations at X price, and then had to finish building/delivering the number promised at that price before they can adjust prices upward due to inflation".
Am I remembering that incorrectly?
I mean, I'd love more value for being an early reservation holder/forum member/whatever other reason. I'm just not sure how likely that is, and if Rivian actively did it like that, or if its just how it ended up due to the Covid supply chain/price increase sort of stuff happening at the same time.
unfortunately, those are not the base models they showed. they recently actually said those are "concept models". which basically means they haven't locked down the trims/specs but those were more "loaded" versions.
yeah, thats right wrt Rivian. they set a price point in 2018/2019 and Covid hit and their supply chain went out the door. with that went their costs. they had to jack up the price but customers revolted and they rolled it back for early reservation holders. they sold every vehicle at a loss due to that as well as because they were ramping up production so lots of cap ex. they are still trying to make a profit per vehicle sold. costs are moving down with each quarter but its been a struggle and i feel bad for them with such unlucky timing.
with Scout, not sure if 2027 is going to be a good time to launch or not. depends on how the next 2 years goes with the new administration in DC. costs could shoot up for them, screwing up their stated start price below $60k. costs could remain flat and they hit that price. or something in between and they get creative and still hit that price while having to produce a different version than they wanted. just lots of unknowns.
Do you think Scout’s prices are in today’s dollars or assuming 10% higher from 3-5 years of inflation?
The annual rate of inflation is currently at 2.6% (measured over the past 12 months Oct - Oct).
The vehicles are expected to launch in 3 years or less.
If the inflation rate stays constant, $46,255 dollars today costs $50,000 in 3 full years time.
Responsible vehicle manufacturers look many years ahead. I’m expect they made some estimate of inflation as part of their vehicle price estimate.
A small a mount of inflation is generally considered necessary for a healthy growing economy. Typically, targeted at 2%.
The base models probably have 32 in tires, spare underneath, no tire carrier, cloth seats, no Harvester, metal roof, no wood in the interior.
What else?
It was implied at reveal that 32’s/33’s would be standard and spare would be under vehicle. Was implied spare carrier was an option. Knowing a metal roof is available it only makes sense that metal will be standard. No word on searing but if seats are cloth it won’t be cloth as we are used to but some form of recycled material. The designers all said they are fighting to have the seats as shown in concepts so it may show up in a mid level-maybe in faux leather then a top tier with real leather.
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