Entry Model Specs, Premium Model Price?

[Scoutsie]

I think this is pretty much a given. They were showing loaded trucks with pretty much all the top options. Entry level will be something like this.

• Small battery will be in 220-250 range.
• No lockers, no sway bar disconnect, 32-33" tire and matching suspension.
• Solid steel roof.

Look at Bronco and Jeep. All of the off-road extras are optional, and those are primarily off-road trucks.

Adding Bigger Tires, Suspension, Lockers, Sway Disconnect will be and $8000+ package, that's the equivalent of Bronco "Sasquatch" package.

It will probably be and extra $2000 if you want a glass or cabana roof.

Top battery will probably be $4000.

Luxury interior features: ????

Compare a Base Wrangler 4 door: ~$37K
Rubicon X with Sky One Touch roof (similar to Cabana Top) and Automatic: ~$68K.

That's equivalent gear, IMO... So ~$30K price increase.

IMO, there is no way that the Scouts as shown are less than $80K.

I hope that’s not the case. Like @Logan and @pwrofgrayskull said, $80K is an unthinkable amount for a car purchase. That’s more like a house down payment. Hell, that’s two gently-used plug-in hybrid RAV4s.
I’d tap out and hope their unannounced li’l fella is more in my economic wheelhouse.

 

[THil08]

Keep the political commentary out of the forum. This has been requested over and over by @Jamie@ScoutMotors
The forum is for discussions about Scouts-not politics.
Thanks!

Ahh my bad J

 

[CarTechGeek]

I hope that’s not the case. Like @Logan and @pwrofgrayskull said, $80K is an unthinkable amount for a car purchase. That’s more like a house down payment. Hell, that’s two gently-used plug-in hybrid RAV4s.
I’d tap out and hope their unannounced li’l fella is more in my economic wheelhouse.

It is, what it is. This is the world we live in. The base price is way too high for me to consider, even a Rav4 Prime is out of my price range.

The Bronco Starts at around $40K, and there are packages up to $90k. This being a massive electric with a massive battery is going to shift those price points up.

No one should have thought they were showing the base truck. If you look at the SM page, there is fine print along the lines of: Vehicle shown with optional equipment. Also I think it's been mentioned that stock wheels are smaller, with the spare under the vehicle. Those fancy tops won't be standard etc...

 

[THil08]

It is, what it is. This is the world we live in. The base price is way too high for me to consider, even a Rav4 Prime is out of my price range.

The Bronco Starts at around $40K, and there are packages up to $90k. This being a massive electric with a massive battery is going to shift those price points up.

No one should have thought they were showing the base truck. If you look at the SM page, there is fine print along the lines of: Vehicle shown with optional equipment. Also I think it's been mentioned that stock wheels are smaller, with the spare under the vehicle. Those fancy tops won't be standard etc...

Watch Scout shock everyone.

 

[Scoutsie]

It is, what it is. This is the world we live in. The base price is way too high for me to consider, even a Rav4 Prime is out of my price range.

The Bronco Starts at around $40K, and there are packages up to $90k. This being a massive electric with a massive battery is going to shift those price points up.

No one should have thought they were showing the base truck. If you look at the SM page, there is fine print along the lines of: Vehicle shown with optional equipment. Also I think it's been mentioned that stock wheels are smaller, with the spare under the vehicle. Those fancy tops won't be standard etc...

I never thought that we were seeing bare bones models. We still have no idea what the options are going to cost. I'm keeping an open mind for now. If I could get the bare minimum of what I hope to get for ~$60K, it might just be feasible. If EV purchasing incentives stick around, hey, even better. I’m not counting on it right now.

I wasn’t a fan of the tire carrier in the back, so that’s no loss for me. I have no interest in HUGE VROOM VROOM tires, so no loss there. I did like the cabana roof, but losing it isn’t a dealbreaker. For now, I’m gonna wait and see and hope for some good luck…

 

[Callsign_DISCO]

It's too early to say where the price ends up - besides, the clear message from the hundreds of millions of dollars of unmoving inventory on failing dealer lots everywhere right now is a pretty clear message that price points simply MUST come down. Battery tech is improving driving cost and weight down, and we are, realistically, minimum 3 years from first delivery.

If we end up past mid-$70's after incentives for the vehicles as shown, I'm probably out and will stick with an affordable used ICE Jeep - but that said I remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[J Alynn]

I think this is pretty much a given. They were showing loaded trucks with pretty much all the top options. Entry level will be something like this.

• Small battery will be in 220-250 range.
• No lockers, no sway bar disconnect, 32-33" tire and matching suspension.
• Solid steel roof.

Look at Bronco and Jeep. All of the off-road extras are optional, and those are primarily off-road trucks.

Adding Bigger Tires, Suspension, Lockers, Sway Disconnect will be and $8000+ package, that's the equivalent of Bronco "Sasquatch" package.

It will probably be and extra $2000 if you want a glass or cabana roof.

Top battery will probably be $4000.

Luxury interior features: ????

Compare a Base Wrangler 4 door: ~$37K
Rubicon X with Sky One Touch roof (similar to Cabana Top) and Automatic: ~$68K.

That's equivalent gear, IMO... So ~$30K price increase.

IMO, there is no way that the Scouts as shown are less than $80K.

I’ll be curious if 350 range is an upgrade or standard. I wouldn’t be surprised if 350 is standard and Harvester is extended range.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

It's too early to say where the price ends up - besides, the clear message from the hundreds of millions of dollars of unmoving inventory on failing dealer lots everywhere right now is a pretty clear message that price points simply MUST come down. Battery tech is improving driving cost and weight down, and we are, realistically, minimum 3 years from first delivery.

If we end up past mid-$70's after incentives for the vehicles as shown, I'm probably out and will stick with an affordable used ICE Jeep - but that said I remain cautiously optimistic.

I completely agree, same here.

 

[THil08]

It's too early to say where the price ends up - besides, the clear message from the hundreds of millions of dollars of unmoving inventory on failing dealer lots everywhere right now is a pretty clear message that price points simply MUST come down. Battery tech is improving driving cost and weight down, and we are, realistically, minimum 3 years from first delivery.

If we end up past mid-$70's after incentives for the vehicles as shown, I'm probably out and will stick with an affordable used ICE Jeep - but that said I remain cautiously optimistic.

Yeah i agree with that statement on price.

 

[Scoutsie]

As much as there’s been people cycling in saying that EVs are dumb, EVs are this and that, we should go back to ICE… I don’t want a car that relies only on gas ever again. I’ve saved so much money with a hybrid, and I’d probably save even more with a plug-in hybrid and save even more still with a straight EV. It’s also great because my income is pretty reduced compared to what it used to be.

Hybrids and electrics are quiet, efficient, and you have to gently warn birds that you’re coming so you don’t run them over. I have no problem with this life. This is great. I love that I fill up like once a month, twice if I’ve been driving a lot. My expenses are pretty low for maintenance (did my homework, got a reliable model at the expense of looks, but definitely want more of a midlife crisis model next). Kinda pays for itself.

Maybe some folks don’t want to hear that they have to drive an EV, but I don’t want to hear that EVs are only for an elite group of people. I keep thinking about how my parents’ Scout, in today’s money, would be around 32 grand and blanch at the idea of “starts at under $60,000.” I keep telling myself that I’ve got 3 years to figure out the money and that’s what I plan to do.

 

[Callsign_DISCO]

So a couple additions to my post above is that we don't know what the election result will do yet for incentives, the overall market, or for consumer confidence.

My guess is incentives continue, protective tariffs come in for foreign EV's (and other cars), and talk of Federal EV mandates go away.

Based on historical trends, consumer confidence and spending power should go up assuming previous tax cuts remain or are improved and interest rates come down but this will take 6 months to a year to materialize. This would be good timing for Scout Motors TBH.

Ideally, we need to stop letting California effectively determine what kind of cars can be sold in the other 49 states since the economic and political reality there is not really applicable in most of the rest of country (e.g., jobs/pay, infrastructure, etc.). CARB's influence made sense, 30-40 yrs ago to fight a legit problem (that was still almost exclusive to CA given population density, topography and prevailing weather conditions), but IMO that influence is actually stifling innovation/competition and turning consumers off.

 

[THil08]

So a couple additions to my post above is that we don't know what the election result will do yet for incentives, the overall market, or for consumer confidence.

My guess is incentives continue, protective tariffs come in for foreign EV's (and other cars), and talk of Federal EV mandates go away.

Based on historical trends, consumer confidence and spending power should go up assuming previous tax cuts remain or are improved and interest rates come down but this will take 6 months to a year to materialize. This would be good timing for Scout Motors TBH.

Ideally, we need to stop letting California effectively determine what kind of cars can be sold in the other 49 states since the economic and political reality there is not really applicable in most of the rest of country (e.g., jobs/pay, infrastructure, etc.). CARB's influence made sense, 30-40 yrs ago to fight a legit problem (that was still almost exclusive to CA given population density, topography and prevailing weather conditions), but IMO that influence is actually stifling innovation/competition and turning consumers off.

I totally agree with that last paragraph. And i like the point you stated above it too.

 

[Logan]

I think this is pretty much a given. They were showing loaded trucks with pretty much all the top options. Entry level will be something like this.

• Small battery will be in 220-250 range.
• No lockers, no sway bar disconnect, 32-33" tire and matching suspension.
• Solid steel roof.

Look at Bronco and Jeep. All of the off-road extras are optional, and those are primarily off-road trucks.

Adding Bigger Tires, Suspension, Lockers, Sway Disconnect will be and $8000+ package, that's the equivalent of Bronco "Sasquatch" package.

It will probably be and extra $2000 if you want a glass or cabana roof.

Top battery will probably be $4000.

Luxury interior features: ????

Compare a Base Wrangler 4 door: ~$37K
Rubicon X with Sky One Touch roof (similar to Cabana Top) and Automatic: ~$68K.

That's equivalent gear, IMO... So ~$30K price increase.

IMO, there is no way that the Scouts as shown are less than $80K.

I agree with most of what you said.

Pointing out though that in the support/FAQ section of the website, they say dual motors and a rear locker will be standard.

What level of off-road capability will Scout vehicles have? | Scout Support

support.scoutmotors.com

 

[Scoutsie]

So a couple additions to my post above is that we don't know what the election result will do yet for incentives, the overall market, or for consumer confidence.

My guess is incentives continue, protective tariffs come in for foreign EV's (and other cars), and talk of Federal EV mandates go away.

Based on historical trends, consumer confidence and spending power should go up assuming previous tax cuts remain or are improved and interest rates come down but this will take 6 months to a year to materialize. This would be good timing for Scout Motors TBH.

Ideally, we need to stop letting California effectively determine what kind of cars can be sold in the other 49 states since the economic and political reality there is not really applicable in most of the rest of country (e.g., jobs/pay, infrastructure, etc.). CARB's influence made sense, 30-40 yrs ago to fight a legit problem (that was still almost exclusive to CA given population density, topography and prevailing weather conditions), but IMO that influence is actually stifling innovation/competition and turning consumers off.

Conversely, tariffs could have a harmful effect on the economy.

These guys explain tariffs really well (and objectively):
https://www.cato.org/publications/s...f-fictions#how-has-united-states-used-tariffs

Not commenting on California. I like it best when this forum stays gray rock on these matters.

 

[CarTechGeek]

I agree with most of what you said.

Pointing out though that in the support/FAQ section of the website, they say dual motors and a rear locker will be standard.

What level of off-road capability will Scout vehicles have? | Scout Support

support.scoutmotors.com

Good find. That's actually a higher baseline than Jeep and Bronco that don't have any lockers on their base models.

Almost no one actually needs the front locker.

 

[CarTechGeek]

Maybe some folks don’t want to hear that they have to drive an EV, but I don’t want to hear that EVs are only for an elite group of people. I keep thinking about how my parents’ Scout, in today’s money, would be around 32 grand and blanch at the idea of “starts at under $60,000.” I keep telling myself that I’ve got 3 years to figure this out and that’s what I plan to do.

It's the consequence of not only being an EV, but being a full sized truck EV. Though I don't think you can even get full size ICE Truck for $32K today. Bronco starts around $40K.

Ford CEO, Jim Farley, had a good interview explaining how very large EVs really get crushed on pricing, because you need near double the batteries.

In the ICE world a bigger truck doesn't end up costing Double, but for bigger EV trucks it can be.

If you want to have a $32K EV, it will need to be smaller, lighter, and more aerodynamic so it can have a battery half the size.

 

[Logan]

Good find. That's actually a higher baseline than Jeep and Bronco that don't have any lockers on their base models.

Almost no one actually needs the front locker.

Yeah, dual lockers is very, very capable, and I'm glad they're offering it from the factory.

But also, a single rear locker even with open diffs is "plenty" for most people. And even more if they offer some braking based/EV motor based offroad modes that do some sort of locker type functionality standard.

I personally don't think I'll be going for the offroad trim myself, as I don't really do any real offroading these days. But I do frequently "bad mountain road" on the way to trailheads, or shuttling when mountain biking. So I'll appreciate the ground clearance, standard 4wd, and rear locker. But will likely be fine with 33in tires and a no front locker.

(although I would love if they offer rock sliders on non-offroad package trims, no one wants body damage).

 

[Scoutsie]

It's the consequence of not only being an EV, but being a full sized truck EV. Though I don't think you can even get full size ICE Truck for $32K today. Bronco starts around $40K.

Ford CEO, Jim Farley, had a good interview explaining how very large EVs really get crushed on pricing, because you need near double the batteries.

In the ICE world a bigger truck doesn't end up costing Double, but for bigger EV trucks it can be.

If you want to have a $32K EV, it will need to be smaller, lighter, and more aerodynamic so it can have a battery half the size.

I fully understood that before I complained about the 1975 price paid for a Scout II (which I remember as being more like a no-frills small-ish SUV than a Suburban or something) versus the estimated 2027 cost. I also understand that there’s other things that come into play when deciding what something costs, like “how much and how badly do people want this and what does the market bear?” Full-size SUVs are cooler than minivans and station wagons (who even makes them any more?) as family cars. They’re bigger and need more materials, so yeah, it stands to reason that you can ask for more for them than a medium sedan or compact SUV. I’m also not saying it’s unfair.

I’m just complaining.

 

[THil08]

Lets stay hopeful with the pricing they gave. Dont be a debby downer.

 

[Scoutsie]

Lets stay hopeful with the pricing they gave. Dont be a debby downer.

Whoa, who’s that directed at?