I think you are 100% correct. They are trying to maximize EV only range at the expense of battery degradation. Scout will have to make similar decisions, but I hope the larger battery will see less degradation
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With such a large battery for a PHEV/EREV, I doubt Scout will need to hold much reserve.
A decent rule of thumb starting point for pack life is Range x 1000.
For a 22 mile range Wrangler 4XE that's 22000 miles.
For a 150 mile range Scout Harvester that's 150000 miles.
Note that these are EV only miles.
Also I think there is a chance the Scout will use LFP batteries in the Harvester, which essentially doubles those numbers.
However,
LiFePO4 (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries like to be charged to 100% often and have a charge cycle lifetime at least 4 times longer than Lithium Ion Batteries. However, current energy density of LiFePO4 is less than Lithium Ion, but LiFePO4 weighs less.
Then there is Solid State, which hasn't been incorporated into any EV/EREV or PHEV that I'm aware of to date.
from that internet thing:
Lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries have a longer life cycle than lithium-ion batteries. LiFePO4 batteries can last for over 10 years, while lithium-ion batteries typically last 2–5 years.
The LiFePO4 battery has the edge over lithium-ion, both in terms of cycle life (it lasts 4-5x longer), and safety. This is a key advantage because lithium-ion batteries can overheat and even catch fire, while LiFePO4 does not.
So I just don't know what Scout is planning by 2028 (but I hope it's 2027 or 2026).
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This conversation has me wondering how many Harvester reservations will convert to regular BEV when it comes time to actually place orders.
but in fairness. you have two choices with Scout
1. Buy the BEV - 350 mile range. should cover your 200 mile round trip without charging, even in cold weather, but you'd want a good charger at home (probably one of the 48A ones). You'll need to charge each day. If you had charging at work, it would be even easier, but even if you don't, and just charge once you get home, you should be fine.
2. Buy the EREV
2a. Charge only at home. Leave home, drive all the way to work, drive home, use the harvester for about 50 miles of the trip automatically (call it 1.5 gallons? Charge at night
2b. Charge at work and home. Leave home, drive to work, charge while at work, drive home, plug in. Uses only electric and has plenty of range. if you ever forget or there's a problem chargine one day, it won't matter, the harvester will kick on for the last little bit and get your home with no issue.
We are moving to a city about 250 miles away from where we live now. I expect that I'll get the Harvester only because the 350 mile range, in winter, would put me too close for comfort going over the passes/etc. In the summer, it'd be totally fine, but I would have to charge before heading home, or stop and charge for 15 minutes going one way or the other.
In all honesty, I could make the BEV work well for me, but I am getting the Harvester because
1. I'll still drive 90%+ of my miles on electric, cheaply and smoothly.
2. I'll have unlimited range when we do make a road trip, without finding a charger
3. In the event of power outage or camping or tailgating, I think it will be awesome to have the AC power to power our home.
We really don’t know what we are getting with our current reservations…time will tell but I like how they are not locking anyone in to one configuration or another.
100%... I get that this is where the market may be at this very point in time, but it will not stay in this middling territory for long.
This article seems contrary to the current popularity of PHEV's in China
Yeah I added Harvester later but quite honestly I might take it off in 2-3 years time and just do full BEV.
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