Maybe we could replace all the Ford Explorer cop cars with Scouts!
So what does everyone think of the first new Scout designs...
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From the media files on the Scout forum I have to say this detail would be cool IMHO. Maybe it’s inset in a metal/chrome detail or molded right into dash material. If dash has a leather or leather look finish an embossed or even branded logo would be a unique demarcation.
Seeing the new Acura Integra with the inset lettering on the bumper to pay homage to the original is a nice, not-so-subtle Easter egg.
Seeing the new Acura Integra with the inset lettering on the bumper to pay homage to the original is a nice, not-so-subtle Easter egg.
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I imagine getting adequate structural rigidity would be impossible along with side crash test success but LOVE it anyway
I hope you might change the look of the Scout: the current, trendy "Squished Window" look is bad. And soon it will be over. Put real windows back and balance the top and bottom look of the Scout. Less curvy and more straight lines. More truck-like (and not like current sissy trucks).
Make it LOOK more like a Scout instead of another "looks-like-everything else that is the trend now" with a Scout logo.
Land Rover's new Defender is a horrid do-over of the NAS Defender ('93-97): lost all of the classic look and lines, inside and out.
Obviously, a new Scout has to be modernized compared to the final 1980 model, but please do more than just put a badge on a squished, rounded plush vehicle and make it look more like a Scout: inside and out.
( I admit I am old school, but I loved my Scouts: first was a used '72 Scout II (had from '77'83) and 2nd was a '67 Scout 800 (had from '89 to ''94)
Make it LOOK more like a Scout instead of another "looks-like-everything else that is the trend now" with a Scout logo.
Land Rover's new Defender is a horrid do-over of the NAS Defender ('93-97): lost all of the classic look and lines, inside and out.
Obviously, a new Scout has to be modernized compared to the final 1980 model, but please do more than just put a badge on a squished, rounded plush vehicle and make it look more like a Scout: inside and out.
( I admit I am old school, but I loved my Scouts: first was a used '72 Scout II (had from '77'83) and 2nd was a '67 Scout 800 (had from '89 to ''94)
It's not just the visuals but the functionality. Visibility is the obvious one, and then there's the nausea as well. Has anyone been a passenger of a new Camaro?
The more external environment that is in your field of view, the less motion sick you'll get. The more interior you see, the more motion sick you get. Everyone has an intuitive understanding that when motion percieved by your inner ear and body doesn't match your view, it tends to result in motion sickness. There's more to it than that, though.
The effect of a turning visual motion resulting in a feeling of motion is greater in your peripheral vision than central vision:
Also, try watching a fullscreen dashcam video from a car driving on a highway or a racing game. Move forward and backward to fill in your field of view with more or less of the video as it plays. Or make cardboard cutouts that cover your peripheral vs central vision. In any of these scenarios, your perception of speed also dramatically changes as you increase the visual flow in your peripheral vision.
This all means that the resulting nausea is even greater than you might expect when things like the A-pillar, roof, and dash are all blocking parts of your peripheral vision when you have a car with a high beltline and short front/side glass.
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I liked it at first - but the more I looked at it, the more it looked like just another SUV. I hate the squished windows, don't love the huge blind spot. Not a huge fan of the rear window angle. While harder to work with - not a fan of vehicles that look chunky. What I mean by that... Look at the Hummer EV, it looks like they bolted a 4" battery pack underneath and said good enough. Honestly, I put seat risers in my Jeep - I don't need to see tree tops, I need to see down. But a lot of newer vehicles seem to want that look. The side pannels are just to tall. A lot of modern trucks look like they grew a few inches in the middle. Instead of athletic, they look kind of obese. Not to mention the pig nose they put on a lot of them. Honestly I think the new LC Prada got a lot right in ditching that trend.
Add to it, this is supposed to be a capable offroad vehicle. Limiting the downward field of view is not a great thing when you are trying to navogate obsticles. Probably why a lot of off road vehcies end up with removable doors. You simple can see better. Narrow windows might make sense in an armoured vehicle - but not a fun offroad vehicle.
Another issue with the narrow windows is the window ledge is too high. Try reaching an ATM Keypad - you have to either open the door or get out of your seat. No chance in leaning out the window to see where your tires are.
Add to it, this is supposed to be a capable offroad vehicle. Limiting the downward field of view is not a great thing when you are trying to navogate obsticles. Probably why a lot of off road vehcies end up with removable doors. You simple can see better. Narrow windows might make sense in an armoured vehicle - but not a fun offroad vehicle.
Another issue with the narrow windows is the window ledge is too high. Try reaching an ATM Keypad - you have to either open the door or get out of your seat. No chance in leaning out the window to see where your tires are.
Seems to be Land Rover and Bronco influence to me. I like the billboard style side panels, some curve but I'm hoping that it is fairly flat.
For the SUV, I think it is imperative the rear lower quarter-panel needs to have the correct angle. That is a classic Scout II design, with the upward sweeping rear panel. Similarly, the angle of the top needs to be accurate, with a strong line toward the front of the vehicle. It looks like both of these angles were included in the concept drawing. Also, the front needs to be flat. Modern cars are becoming too rounded off, a Scout has sharp angles, and I like how the front looks to be a sharp flat edge. One thing I love about driving the Scout II's is you know exactly where your front end it when maneuvering on the trails or in the parking lot, because they are so flat at the front and you can see right up to the edge from the drivers seat. Lastly, please use circular headlights. No lights that go all the way across like on the ford Lightning, just two circular lights. Also having the blinkers as a separate rectangular light below the headlights would be quite cool. Also having separated side-marker lights would be an awesome touch too, and it is a simple way to make the car feel like a classic.
Love the design of the truck - please offer a front bench seat and I am all in!
It's a good looking truck! If you'd square off the rear end and it would have more of a Scout silhouette.Equus drew inspiration from the Scout. 2-dr SWB
If you look at some of the original Scout X (Scout II) prototypes, circa 1967, Ted Ornas played with several body contours and character lines. Initial versions of the removable 'Traveltop' showed the rear side glass with no part of the top sheet metal under the glass atop the quarters; nor at the leading edge behind the front door frameless roll-down windows. I believe that is why the final production Scout II Traveltop has just a vestigial thin portion of a B pillar and sheet metal under the rear side glass (no doubt due to practical cost, sealing and assembly issues). That original version also gives a great 'hardtop' affect and keeps the beltline, open, straight and seamless with the rear side glass being the same height as the front.
So now with the EV Scout four-door, a frameless-window rear door can reflect the front and have a fixed quarter vent window at the rear so the main glass can retract all the way down in the rear door, even with a rear wheel-well intrusion. Fixed (or removable) side/quarter windows behind the rear doors can also have the Scout II-like rear-most pillar up-kick. Of course, an integral roll-over protection cage will be there to support A, B and C pillars (like Bronco and Wrangler) but the glazing could still project over it and be seamless, functional and very Scout-like. You could even use flat glass, like the originals, to save cost!
I know this stuff, by now, is cast in stone, but it is fun to play with Scout designs.
So now with the EV Scout four-door, a frameless-window rear door can reflect the front and have a fixed quarter vent window at the rear so the main glass can retract all the way down in the rear door, even with a rear wheel-well intrusion. Fixed (or removable) side/quarter windows behind the rear doors can also have the Scout II-like rear-most pillar up-kick. Of course, an integral roll-over protection cage will be there to support A, B and C pillars (like Bronco and Wrangler) but the glazing could still project over it and be seamless, functional and very Scout-like. You could even use flat glass, like the originals, to save cost!
I know this stuff, by now, is cast in stone, but it is fun to play with Scout designs.
Yes, the hood design on Toyota's Land Cruiser Prado is a major step in the right direction; my '23 Tundra has some of that but not enough. If the pickup is to be functional as a pickup (not a suburban must-have) then design must follow function. We need to see our surroundings - that means sitting high up, not obscured by high door sides and high long hoods. We need to be able to see out and place each wheel precisely, whether off-roading or bringing a load of materials to a construction site. There apparently is some safety requirement now that makes it impossible to drive with the door open. Several times I had to drive a Scout from dock to a boat on a ramp of 2x12s. I very much needed the door open so I could check wheel position, not to mention the possible emergency exit if that yellow pine wasn't cooperating. I'm sure the off-road crowd and others like me who did research in odd places would appreciate an override of that nanny regulation.
At least there'd be that brief, "Oh, cool" moment before the ticket.
Good news with these modern iterations - you get lots of ways to view your surroundings (much better than opening a door on one side of the truck) with cameras... Just depends on how many cameras and angles there are with the new Scout. One reason why a big center screen is also nice. We have had a few SW updates with the R1T that have made the camera functions even better than they were at launch, and they can be integrated into functions like "tow mode" for example. All new tech ain't all bad!
Maybe. I have all those cameras on my Tundra and I marvel at the computer work that melds them into continuous images with minimal distortion. That one where they simulate a drone hovering 15' above the truck is like WOW. They are wonderful, mostly. But there are times when the light is wrong and a contrasty shadow falls in the wrong spot that I cannot see what I need to see. Try full bright sun directly in front and the shadow of the tailgate covering the ball and trailer tongue. It might as well be midnight back there with surrounding brilliance.
PLUS, I thought that SM was trying to bring the new Scout to us at pretty reasonable prices. That kind of camera system can't be cheap; I'd be happy with just the single required backup cam as long as it showed the hitch most of the time.
Very exciting. They look great. Will Scout be taking pre-order deposits?
Yes. We will let everyone know on our end as soon as we can.
On a side note, our first year anniversary of the forums is next week on the 14th. I would encourage anyone you know that is interested in the new Scout to register in the forums to get 1st Year Member status as there will be perks to having that status in the future.
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WOW. Can’t believe we’ve been on this almost a year already. That’s crazy. We should celebrate!!! Maybe a sneak-peek eventYes. We will let everyone know on our end as soon as we can.
On a side note, our first year anniversary of the forums I next week the 14th. I would encourage anyone you know that is interested in the new Scout to register in the forums to get 1st Year Member status as there will be perks to having that status in the future.
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