Consumer Freedom and Scout Motors in South Carolina

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First off, I've messaged my representatives here in Michigan, but it's Michigan, so... The Auto Dealers have a firm grip here lol.

But I agree, direct to consumer, with repair support centers is a great vision, hope you get the waivers needed, and break the monopoly.

I love the openess of a on site customer experience. To be honest, I likely won't avail myself of it, I'm in factories every day of my life lol, but as a person who was removed from Lordstown by security for reporting to my management they had absolutely no method of building a vehicle in the timelines they were reporting, I appreciate the transparency.

Start ups always bring a little trepidation, opening the doors is a great move, and I appreciate it!
 
Forum members,

It's great to see all of the activity, enthusiasm, and discussion on the forum. By way of introduction, I serve as the Vice President of Growth at Scout Motors. In a nutshell, I'm responsible for retail strategy, customer experience, and commercial operations.

As many of you likely know, Scout Motors has selected a direct-to-consumer retail model. This means that Scout Motors will sell Scout vehicles to Scout customers. We believe it's the right strategy and, after talking to many consumers, believe it's what the market demands.

We would love nothing more than to build an Experience Center at the factory in Blythewood, South Carolina. From there, we could offer factory tours, driving experiences, product displays, and factory delivery of new vehicles. Unfortunately, antiquated regulations in South Carolina stand in our way.

We hope to get these laws changed and know that many state leaders see it the same way. To start the conversation in South Carolina, I posted the below article to LinkedIn today. I thought all of you should know our logic, vision, and requests of the state as well. Enjoy!

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From: LinkedIn

The Post & Courier has it right: Scout Motors is proud to manufacture in the Palmetto State and we'd be honored if our brand became synonymous with South Carolina.

Another thing they have right: Scout Motors believes that freedom in car buying should be restored for South Carolina consumers.

Selling vehicles through franchised dealers is exactly the right strategy for some automakers. No doubt, it has the potential to serve the customers of established brands well.

It is equally true that selling vehicles directly to consumers is the best strategy for other automakers, Scout Motors included. Many automotive new entrants have, after reviewing the costs and benefits, made the same decision.

These two business models do not need to be mutually exclusive.

Like in all other industries—where companies and consumers freely decide on the best distribution model, or choose to use both—automotive distribution need not be an all-or-nothing proposition. Economists, academics, consumer protection groups, free market advocates, and federal agencies roundly agree: the consumer and competition are benefitted when the direct sale of automobiles is permitted.

Scout Motors also agrees. Consumers deserve the freedom to choose how they buy a car for many reasons, including:
  • Affordability - Eliminating the double marginalization of a middleman lowers the retail price of Scout vehicles by thousands of dollars. This benefits both consumers and Scout Motors. By being within financial reach of more Americans, Scout Motors can achieve higher market share, run our production plant at higher capacities, and employ more South Carolinians.
  • Transparency - Consumers are incredibly frustrated at the lack of straightforward pricing in auto buying and servicing. Surprise markups and add-ons have many consumers feeling irate. A direct sales model solves this entirely. Scout customers will always know what they’re paying.
  • Customer experience - A direct sales model allows Scout Motors to have one-on-one relationships with our customers. With this, we can create centralized customer accounts, apps, and records that make buying, owning, and servicing Scout vehicles incredibly easy and seamless. Further, only in a direct sales model does Scout Motors maintain the operational flexibility necessary to quickly scale and adjust our national retail network to meet rapidly changing sales and service needs. Finally, we foresee a future in which data privacy and protection becomes a significant consumer concern and purchase driver; in a direct sales model, we can ensure that our customers (and their data) never become the product.
  • EV focus - Unlike the EV negativity that now permeates franchised dealers and their sales teams (alas, over 5,000 franchised dealers twice petitioned President Biden to “hit the brakes” on EV sales and 49% of dealer sales staff report being "not excited at all" to sell EVs), a direct sales model allows us to build a sales team that knows our products, understands the litany of benefits offered by EVs, and reliably delivers ambitious monthly sales targets.
  • Progress – The basic dealership experience has not changed in the last 75 years. But the world around it has. Consumers expect a modern retail experience that blends in-person and online options. They expect services that leverage and adopt modern technology. Online vehicle purchases completed in minutes, mobile service in your driveway, and over-the-air diagnostics and updates, for example, are just the tip of the iceberg. Customers deserve access to modern technologies and experiences, and Scout Motors plans to provide them through direct sales.
South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve freedom in choosing how they buy a car.

South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve affordable vehicles that aren’t touched by a middleman.

South Carolina workers, like all American workers, deserve to be able to buy the products that they manufacture.

And South Carolina citizens, like all American citizens, deserve business friendly policies that generate economic prosperity and that do not attempt to snuff-out new market entrants.

As it stands, because of antiquated regulations kept in place by the dealer lobby, South Carolinians will have to travel to other states to purchase the Scout vehicles that are made in Blythewood, South Carolina. This would be tragic, and an affront to both consumer choice and the free market that South Carolina ordinarily embraces.

But, we’re hopeful change is on the way. South Carolina, its legislature, and its leaders (especially South Carolina Governor's Office and South Carolina Department of Commerce) are visionary on economic development, industrial trends, and the future of transportation. They tackle hard issues when they arise, and I believe this issue will soon get the scrutiny it deserves.
Cody, thank you for sharing. Are you able to expand on what will be offered during the experience center? As a current Bronco owner, I love that Ford offered Bronco Rodeo with multiple locations to allow owners to get familiar with the vehicle and the terrain in which they reside. Is this what SM has in mind as part of this experience center?
 
Thank you! Even a handful of letters/emails showing up in the office a state legislator makes a huge difference. We'll soon have an opportunity for reservation holders and interested parties to get involved. More to come!
Are there other states (or specific states, if you’re able to disclose) with whom you’re expecting to have a similar uphill battle? It might be helpful to know who to look at. My state senator stinks, but my state rep’s office has been responsive in the past.

I don’t mean to put the cart before the horse if that’s exactly what your plan is, I’m just excited and have a lot of free time on my hands. 😅
 
Yah the uh...'Nascar' presence in SC/NC that favor the dealership model ultimately drove me from Rivian. Long story...

Keep us posted on how we can help besides the lobbying I'm already doing!
 
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South Carolinians,
By placing a reservation with Scout Motors, you have joined us on an earnest adventure. Together, we’re revitalizing an American icon, restoring American manufacturing, and reinvigorating American innovation.
If there's one thing we know about Americans — especially South Carolinians — it's that we believe in and thrive on freedom, innovation, and competition.
Now, we're asking for your help to ensure South Carolina lives up to those values.

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The roots of Scout Motors are proudly planted in South Carolina. In Blythewood, we’re investing more than $2 billion to construct a cutting-edge Production Center. More importantly, we’re creating over 4,000 jobs with good pay and equally good benefits, with nearly 6,000 more indirect jobs forecast to be created at suppliers, vendors, and in the community.
In total, economic analysis performed by the University of South Carolina estimates that, by 2029, Scout Motors will generate state economic benefits of $4.2 billion annually.
As a newly formed American company, Scout Motors is building everything from the ground up. This includes our vehicles, our factory, and our customer experience. To provide the most affordable and convenient customer experience, we made the strategic decision to sell Scout vehicles directly to you, the Scout customer.
This is the way it should be — Scout vehicles designed, engineered, manufactured, sold, and serviced, all by Scout Motors — and it allows us to offer:

  • Affordable trucks and SUVs with prices reduced thousands of dollars per vehicle by virtue of eliminating the middleman.
  • Transparent pricing with no hidden fees or last-minute markups.
  • A streamlined purchase experience enabling vehicle purchases in minutes, not hours.
  • A one-on-one relationship between Scout Motors and Scout customers allowing centralized account management, convenient app experiences, and modern service, like over-the-air improvements to vehicles.
  • Direct access to Scout vehicle purchasing and servicing for the approximately 10,000 South Carolinians that play a role in manufacturing Scout vehicles.
  • Innovative customer engagement with a $20+ million Experience Center adjacent to the Production Center in Blythewood that will serve as a national hub for product displays, vehicle sales, new vehicle deliveries, factory tours, and off-road driving courses.
Unfortunately, outdated South Carolina laws stand in the way. Unlike dozens of other states that allow automakers to sell directly to consumers, South Carolina—at the behest of car dealer lobbyists—only permits automakers to sell vehicles by using a franchised dealer middleman.
This state law limits consumer choice, raises prices, and makes it impossible for Scout Motors to offer the experiences we’ve envisioned. Sadly, these outdated laws also prohibit you from purchasing a Scout vehicle in South Carolina. Even the hardworking South Carolinians building Scout vehicles in Blythewood won’t have the freedom to purchase one.
If you were unaware of this antiquated law, you’re not alone. Polling in South Carolina indicates that 83% of voters are unaware that the state bans direct-to-consumer auto sales. The good news, however, is that 73% of voters support changing the law to permit direct sales.
To make this change possible, we need your support. Help us urge South Carolina lawmakers to modernize this outdated dealer law and to give you and all South Carolinians the freedom to choose how you purchase your vehicle. Together, we can ensure Scout vehicles are proudly built and sold in South Carolina.
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Thank you for placing a reservation—and your trust—with Scout Motors. Our mission is to forge the future, and modernizing anti-free market South Carolina laws is a critical step on that path.
Cody Thacker
Vice President, Growth
Scout Motors Inc.
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I just got this email…



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South Carolinians,
By placing a reservation with Scout Motors, you have joined us on an earnest adventure. Together, we’re revitalizing an American icon, restoring American manufacturing, and reinvigorating American innovation.

If there's one thing we know about Americans — especially South Carolinians — it's that we believe in and thrive on freedom, innovation, and competition.

Now, we're asking for your help to ensure South Carolina lives up to those values.

The roots of Scout Motors are proudly planted in South Carolina. In Blythewood, we’re investing more than $2 billion to construct a cutting-edge Production Center. More importantly, we’re creating over 4,000 jobs with good pay and equally good benefits, with nearly 6,000 more indirect jobs forecast to be created at suppliers, vendors, and in the community.

In total, economic analysis performed by the University of South Carolina estimates that, by 2029, Scout Motors will generate state economic benefits of $4.2 billion annually.

As a newly formed American company, Scout Motors is building everything from the ground up. This includes our vehicles, our factory, and our customer experience. To provide the most affordable and convenient customer experience, we made the strategic decision to sell Scout vehicles directly to you, the Scout customer.

This is the way it should be — Scout vehicles designed, engineered, manufactured, sold, and serviced, all by Scout Motors — and it allows us to offer:
  • Affordable trucks and SUVs with prices reduced thousands of dollars per vehicle by virtue of eliminating the middleman.
  • Transparent pricing with no hidden fees or last-minute markups.
  • A streamlined purchase experience enabling vehicle purchases in minutes, not hours.
  • A one-on-one relationship between Scout Motors and Scout customers allowing centralized account management, convenient app experiences, and modern service, like over-the-air improvements to vehicles.
  • Direct access to Scout vehicle purchasing and servicing for the approximately 10,000 South Carolinians that play a role in manufacturing Scout vehicles.
  • Innovative customer engagement with a $20+ million Experience Center adjacent to the Production Center in Blythewood that will serve as a national hub for product displays, vehicle sales, new vehicle deliveries, factory tours, and off-road driving courses.
Unfortunately, outdated South Carolina laws stand in the way. Unlike dozens of other states that allow automakers to sell directly to consumers, South Carolina—at the behest of car dealer lobbyists—only permits automakers to sell vehicles by using a franchised dealer middleman.

This state law limits consumer choice, raises prices, and makes it impossible for Scout Motors to offer the experiences we’ve envisioned. Sadly, these outdated laws also prohibit you from purchasing a Scout vehicle in South Carolina. Even the hardworking South Carolinians building Scout vehicles in Blythewood won’t have the freedom to purchase one.

If you were unaware of this antiquated law, you’re not alone. Polling in South Carolina indicates that 83% of voters are unaware that the state bans direct-to-consumer auto sales. The good news, however, is that 73% of voters support changing the law to permit direct sales.

To make this change possible, we need your support. Help us urge South Carolina lawmakers to modernize this outdated dealer law and to give you and all South Carolinians the freedom to choose how you purchase your vehicle. Together, we can ensure Scout vehicles are proudly built and sold in South tact Your Legislators
Thank you for placing a reservation—and your trust—with Scout Motors. Our mission is to forge the future, and modernizing anti-free market South Carolina laws is a critical step on that path.

Cody Thacker
Vice President, Growth
Scout Motors Inc.

It’s nice to see that the world hasn’t moved on from a nicely formatted HTML e-mail using formatting taken from your favorite Dragon Ball Z Geocities website circa 1999.

It’s nicer still to see that they’re taking this to the streets! Fight the good fight, Cody Thacker! Take it all the way to the 🔝!
 
It’s nice to see that the world hasn’t moved on from a nicely formatted HTML e-mail using formatting taken from your favorite Dragon Ball Z Geocities website circa 1999.

It’s nicer still to see that they’re taking this to the streets! Fight the good fight, Cody Thacker! Take it all the way to the 🔝!
I just copied and pasted and that’s what came out. Sorry 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
I’m still waiting for this email… it’s now been 2 hours and still nothing 😢 or is it because I’m not from SC. Which is smart on Scout for not mass sending emails. I can respect not wanting to fill up inboxes.
 
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I’m still waiting for this email… it’s now been 2 hours and still nothing 😢 or is it because I’m not from SC. Which is smart on Scout for not mass sending emails. I can respect not wanting to fill up inboxes.
I’m guessing it’s targeted at reservation holders in SC, not us bums in other states. Not yet. We wait in silence with our torches and pitchforks.
 
I’m still waiting for this email… it’s now been 2 hours and still nothing 😢 or is it because I’m not from SC. Which is smart on Scout for not mass sending emails. I can respect not wanting to fill up inboxes.
It was only sent to South Carolina reservation holders. Basically, it was saying they cannot sell us a new Scout under the current laws. What a shame as they are made here.
 
I used the automated link from the email to contact legislators. Of course, you recall I already contacted the reps for my home and work addresses as well as the governor. @codythacker does the link in the Scout email go to all SC legislators?
Thanks to @LastDayScout and fellow South Carolinians who have voiced their concerns for our antiquated state laws. I have received the email and responded with the automated link, however prior to the email, I had emailed my state senator who personally called me back and left voicemail saying he would deliver my email to the committee responsible for this issue. He was at the original reveal with the governor so I believe he is on the same page concerning direct sales. I also posted a message to my state representative (no reply yet).
An amendment was proposed and stalled in the house back in 2021 (ref. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=4029&session=124&summary=B). We don't need this effort to fail again.

South Carolina dealers continue to tack on fees which SHOULD be unlawful. Here is an example from a Honda Dealer today in Rock Hill, SC:
"$749.00 Closing Fee is not included in advertised price. The Closing Fee is a charge that is permitted but not required by law."
People...don't ever...EVER...let a dealer charge you a closing fee! Walk away! What would be better than allowing direct sales would be that our state would protect consumers with dealer pricing transparency laws and make unnecessary fees unlawful.
 
Thanks to @LastDayScout and fellow South Carolinians who have voiced their concerns for our antiquated state laws. I have received the email and responded with the automated link, however prior to the email, I had emailed my state senator who personally called me back and left voicemail saying he would deliver my email to the committee responsible for this issue. He was at the original reveal with the governor so I believe he is on the same page concerning direct sales. I also posted a message to my state representative (no reply yet).
An amendment was proposed and stalled in the house back in 2021 (ref. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=4029&session=124&summary=B). We don't need this effort to fail again.

South Carolina dealers continue to tack on fees which SHOULD be unlawful. Here is an example from a Honda Dealer today in Rock Hill, SC:
"$749.00 Closing Fee is not included in advertised price. The Closing Fee is a charge that is permitted but not required by law."
People...don't ever...EVER...let a dealer charge you a closing fee! Walk away! What would be better than allowing direct sales would be that our state would protect consumers with dealer pricing transparency laws and make unnecessary fees unlawful.
There is a little more to that closing fee. They also by law have to charge the same fee to everyone. They can lower their overall price, but they have to charge the same fee to everyone. Some of it is warranted like covering costs for titling, tags, etc. It used to cover paperwork and FedEx fees etc. But, now so much of that is electronic. The fees just never went away. Anyway, the dealer cannot really negotiate on the closing fee because they have to charge it to everyone. But, they can negotiate on the total, out the door price. If you cannot get your bottom line price, just walk like @bwdavis7 said.
 
There is a little more to that closing fee. They also by law have to charge the same fee to everyone. They can lower their overall price, but they have to charge the same fee to everyone. Some of it is warranted like covering costs for titling, tags, etc. It used to cover paperwork and FedEx fees etc. But, now so much of that is electronic. The fees just never went away. Anyway, the dealer cannot really negotiate on the closing fee because they have to charge it to everyone. But, they can negotiate on the total, out the door price. If you cannot get your bottom line price, just walk like @bwdavis7 said.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the clarification.