Scout Design Ideas

[TA_n_TN]

Just some design ideas for the new Scout...
The thing that former and current Scout owners love is the sense of freedom / airiness when the top is off like in the pic of this Scout 800

Jeeps and Bronco’s used to have this sense of airiness in the previous versions but in the new versions shown below, because of the pillars / window tracks, it hardly feels that the top is off at all. The new Bronco does a better job of opening things up than the Jeep but it is still confining.

If at all possible in your design journey on the new Scout, please try to keep the open air spirit of the original as much as possible. I know that safety dictates that there be occupant protection in case of a rollover incident, but it doesn’t have to be obtrusive the way the new Bronco or new Jeep are designed. Think minimalist with a rollbar like the pic of the Scout 80 below. Very good occupant protection but still very open and free to the sky.

Just a thought on how to raise and lower side windows on a “minimalist” rollbar equipped 4 door Scout would be to look at the side window design of a mid 1960’s (’65) Lincoln Continental Convertible shown below. The side windows on it could be raised or lowered independently and the rear side window had a seal on its front edge that sealed against the back edge of the front side window to keep out wind / weather.

My personal body style preference is the Scout II and if you could make a 4 door Traveler I'd be all over it, as I'm currently looking at the feasibility of adding rear doors on a '77 Traveler for practicality sake of getting passengers and gear in the back seat area. So the idea of the Continental windows converging together is what I'm looking to incorporate in the Traveler.
Todd (TA_n_TN)

PS. I grew up 20 miles from the Fort Wayne, IN International Harvester Scout plant, so on behalf of all of us out here in “Scout Land” that grew up with Scouts, have owned Scouts, or just appreciate the history of this iconic brand, I want you to know how glad we are that this is coming back and that we are rooting for you and the rest of the Scout Motors Team!

 

[J Alynn]

I’m also thinking beyond just the sales side. Let’s see where things go.

Would be cool to locate some of them near the major trail heads for the off-roaders and rock crawlers. Even if it’s a trailer or shipping container sized Scoutpost for support when large events occur

 

[LastDayScout]

I, and am sure many others, live on the coast. I have suggested in previous posts some seafoam type colors. But, I would like to add that a full on beach/sea/island package would be great. I love Jeep Islanders and High Tides. Ford missed,IMO, with the Outer Banks. They could have made it more beach friendly. Scout has some really good colors to choose from in their history including Tahitian red, Saffron yellow, Willow green, Glacier blue and Montauk blue to name a few. I saw a previously mentioned idea about the interior of the Honda element. Great idea. Every time I get a Jeep I take out the carpet and Linex the tub. There is a great product called cool touch vinyl from the marine industry. My brother has a VW Thing with that material on the seats. It’s great and won’t burn your backside. The Thing’s tub and underside are Linex as well. Scout will also need to protect the electronics on the dash from water and sun. Please have an option to hose it out with concern!

 

[LastDayScout]

I, and am sure many others, live on the coast. I have suggested in previous posts some seafoam type colors. But, I would like to add that a full on beach/sea/island package would be great. I love Jeep Islanders and High Tides. Ford missed,IMO, with the Outer Banks. They could have made it more beach friendly. Scout has some really good colors to choose from in their history including Tahitian red, Saffron yellow, Willow green, Glacier blue and Montauk blue to name a few. I saw a previously mentioned idea about the interior of the Honda element. Great idea. Every time I get a Jeep I take out the carpet and Linex the tub. There is a great product called cool touch vinyl from the marine industry. My brother has a VW Thing with that material on the seats. It’s great and won’t burn your backside. The Thing’s tub and underside are Linex as well. Scout will also need to protect the electronics on the dash from water and sun. Please have an option to hose it out with concern!

Without* concern!

 

[Lichtronamo71]

The Scout III should be an update of Scout II. In terms of comparison with more current vehicles, closer to the WK2 Jeep Grand Cherokee in size/function as a two-row SUV, while combing features from the Bronco or Hummer EV like removable top sections, maybe doors too like the original Scout, Bronco, and Jeep.

 

[ICE_Man]

A low beltline, taller glass, and small wheels (only big enough to fit over the caliper/rotor, would be really nice. It's too hard to see out of modern crossovers. I'll take the hit on range for a classic SUV shape. More worth it than the monster hit that the E-tron takes for having oversized wheels. It's an SUV... function over beauty. And functional is beautiful...

 

[Spiegelglatt]

A low beltline, taller glass, and small wheels (only big enough to fit over the caliper/rotor, would be really nice. It's too hard to see out of modern crossovers. I'll take the hit on range for a classic SUV shape. More worth it than the monster hit that the E-tron takes for having oversized wheels. It's an SUV... function over beauty. And functional is beautiful...

I own two early Touareg (the ones that could actually off-road) and my comment from the slopped roof on SUV’s these past 15-20 years is they suck. The “modern” SUV feels like a “chopped roof” rod, where the glass should have been taller (and the sunroof skipped). One should be able to set on the tailgate and not hit their head on the roof.

Also amen on the small wheels. This allows a proper sidewall for the tires. Tires are sexy wheels are boring.

 

[IdahoJOAT]

Also amen on the small wheels. This allows a proper sidewall for the tires. Tires are sexy wheels are boring.

I agree about sidewall. Sidewall is nice and it sucks when the rotor is too big to allow different sizes.

That said, I love some wheels. A perfect wheel and tire combo is glorious.

 

[andytrio]

Moderator requested I repost here:

I understand the cost of tooling, but I think having a different front-end configuration each model year (or for the first few years at least) would be a great idea paying homage to the Scout II. I have owned/own '72, '75, '76, '78 and '79 (as well as '62, '67 '68). I am partial to '72, '73 and '75 grill configuration. I think having something that resembles the past grill patterners each year would add to the uniqueness.

 

[J Alynn]

Moderator requested I repost here:

I understand the cost of tooling, but I think having a different front-end configuration each model year (or for the first few years at least) would be a great idea paying homage to the Scout II. I have owned/own '72, '75, '76, '78 and '79 (as well as '62, '67 '68). I am partial to '72, '73 and '75 grill configuration. I think having something that resembles the past grill patterners each year would add to the uniqueness.

Someone earlier also mentioned setting up the front grill opening to create variations of the different years and making them modular so they can be interchangeable as an aftermarket item

 

[binderbeast]

Found this pic on the web. Even though I had a 1980 with the rectangular lights, I prefer C.
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Absolutely C is the best grill!

 

[OleScout]

Someone earlier also mentioned setting up the front grill opening to create variations of the different years and making them modular so they can be interchangeable as an aftermarket item

Yes to this! The aftermarket sector would go wild on this! I agree, to allow modularity on this.

 

[PapaTire]

... and we all make fun of the Bronco Sport owners...

Not a "Bronco" as defined by some yet many folks buy them and Ford laughs all the way to the bank as they sell them.

For Scout, it is my opinion that success will be at the intersection of designing a base platform that can scale for cost efficiency while being flexible enough to build niche versions that enthusiasts want.

 

[LastDayScout]

I know there are a lot of people asking for an 80/800 style two door. Maybe that could come later and in much lower quantities. I know there are some hard core folks on this forum but for most of us that would not be a daily driver. I could see an 80/800 size and style machine with a lower range but way more off road capability. Basically a street legal UTV of sorts.

 

[IdahoJOAT]

I honestly want an EV replacement for the JLURe. I want good road manners and the ability to go anywhere I want. I want fun colors. Not earth tones. There's enough earth around... I want to see myself in the pictures I take. I want to throw it in people's faces that anything your pathetic run of the mill SUV can do, ours can do better, brighter, and with a hellova lot more fun to be had.

 

[Stephan Hubert Enders]

will the pick up have a powered drop gate ?

 

[bombmachinist]

Not sure if anyone has brought it up yet but an easy way to add limb risers without having to drill holes would be amazing.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

will the pick up have a powered drop gate ?

Still working these details out so we'll pass along suggestions to the team.

 

[J Alynn]

Regarding the 2-door /4-door debate. What if size of suv was larger but only 2 primary doors and two hidden/jump seat doors with hidden pulls similar to the Toyota HRC as well as several other vehicles that have done this. Thinking it will be tricky with a removable roof but if there’s a way to engineer it you could have all the convenience and battery space of a 4-door sized vehicle but with just the look of a 2-door? Certainly couldn’t have it up high like the Toyota but bet there’s a way to figure out a spot near the well opening OR maybe that’s where the Tesla style hidden handle comes into play and the larger front door handle is surface mounted to create the illusion. Maybe it’s physical at the top of the door panel at base of glass and you reach in and pull it down to open (like a tailgate lever but downward force)

 

[TA_n_TN]

Sorry, I can't give ya a thumbs up on this. I'm a huge fan of the Scout II/Traveler over the 80/800.

Actually, I prefer the II's and Travelers over the 80/800's myself. I like the longer wheelbase and beefier stance. I just used the 800's for examples since their shape more closely resembled that of the Jeeps & Broncos. I'm actually in the research / feasibility stage of adding rear doors to a '77 traveler now. Don't know that it will make financial sense to actually do it, but I want the practicality of 4 doors. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[IdahoJOAT]

Actually, I prefer the II's and Travelers over the 80/800's myself. I like the longer wheelbase and beefier stance. I just used the 800's for examples since their shape more closely resembled that of the Jeeps & Broncos. I'm actually in the research / feasibility stage of adding rear doors to a '77 traveler now. Don't know that it will make financial sense to actually do it, but I want the practicality of 4 doors. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you have any mockups? Interesting idea, but why wouldn't you go with a Travelall? It's the IH version of the Suburban.