Scout Design Ideas

[TA_n_TN]

Just some design ideas for the new Scout...
The thing that former and current Scout owners love is the sense of freedom / airiness when the top is off like in the pic of this Scout 800

Jeeps and Bronco’s used to have this sense of airiness in the previous versions but in the new versions shown below, because of the pillars / window tracks, it hardly feels that the top is off at all. The new Bronco does a better job of opening things up than the Jeep but it is still confining.

If at all possible in your design journey on the new Scout, please try to keep the open air spirit of the original as much as possible. I know that safety dictates that there be occupant protection in case of a rollover incident, but it doesn’t have to be obtrusive the way the new Bronco or new Jeep are designed. Think minimalist with a rollbar like the pic of the Scout 80 below. Very good occupant protection but still very open and free to the sky.

Just a thought on how to raise and lower side windows on a “minimalist” rollbar equipped 4 door Scout would be to look at the side window design of a mid 1960’s (’65) Lincoln Continental Convertible shown below. The side windows on it could be raised or lowered independently and the rear side window had a seal on its front edge that sealed against the back edge of the front side window to keep out wind / weather.

My personal body style preference is the Scout II and if you could make a 4 door Traveler I'd be all over it, as I'm currently looking at the feasibility of adding rear doors on a '77 Traveler for practicality sake of getting passengers and gear in the back seat area. So the idea of the Continental windows converging together is what I'm looking to incorporate in the Traveler.
Todd (TA_n_TN)

PS. I grew up 20 miles from the Fort Wayne, IN International Harvester Scout plant, so on behalf of all of us out here in “Scout Land” that grew up with Scouts, have owned Scouts, or just appreciate the history of this iconic brand, I want you to know how glad we are that this is coming back and that we are rooting for you and the rest of the Scout Motors Team!

 

[OleScout]

-Mount the mirrors to the A-pillars
-removable doors and top
-store doors in cargo area
-offer special editions that are true to the orginal Scout (colors, feather decals, packages, etc)
-True offroader
-Ability to make modular to individualize to owners

I was anxious about posting this the first time around, but I've had more time to put more thought into this, so yes, I'm replying to my own post.

I've long awaited the Bronco release and been a day-one reservation holder; The delay is that I've been awaiting the Heritage trim, which I have placed an order on. I think Ford did a remarkable job with the modern vehicle that resembles the gen 1; I hope Scout Motor Co. can do the same.

I'll elaborate on some of the prior recommendations I made.

• Mount the mirrors to the A-pillar. If you've owned a Jeep, you understand how inconvenient it's been to remove the doors and reinstall the mirrors if your state requires it. Unfortunately, the mirrors are attached to the door hinges and you are left with a vibrating mirror at 60mph.
• Removable tops and doors-No brainer here. Also, offer the top in white
• Store doors in the cargo-this may not be a universally popular opinion, but at times I've seen guys chain their doors to trees to prevent theft during trail runs; this eliminates having to do this.
• Unique edition models- As mentioned above, I've converted my Bronco order to a Heritage model. I love the nostalgia of history. Scout could consider unique models that may remember previous trims (Sport scout-convertible top?, Rallye, SR2, etc.) or develop new trims that set each apart.
• True offroader-Ford implemented modes (Baja, sport, Sand, Mud, etc.) In addition, Badlands has a sway bar disconnect, etc. Trail turn assist that allows tight manoeuvres around turns. These have all been great features that have generated creativity in the offroad world that will compete directly with Jeep.
• Mounting point for limb risers to help protect the windshield and, to some degree, the paint/body.
• Towing capacity, currently, the Jeep Wrangler and Bronco are maxed at 3,500. While this is likely suitable for some, is it enough?
• Most important to me would be to resemble the Scout 80/800 or Scout II, depending on what direction Scout Motor Co. will go.
  • E.g. If 800, include the body line in the rear corner panels, square frame around round headlights, round tail lights, and hood body lines, and remove the tailgate folding down with possible swing-out tire gate if the spare is attached.
• Hide Easter eggs throughout; this is fun to find. How can you incorporate the history from the modern vehicle-Can you include the "IH" throughout? Give recognition to the original assembly plant in Fort Wayne, IN. Resemble some of the older interior gauges cluster and markings (E.g. Scout 800A was written on the passenger dash). Feature some of the prior Scout models in the electronics
• Wash out flooring with drain plugs; for those who will be mudding, allow the ability to take a hose to it.
• Interior, I miss those retro plaid-style interior options from the Scout II with BUCKET seats! To go along with the last bullet point, make this water-resistant, much like the marine-grade vinyl from the Bronco.
• Toyota has built a compartment for ice storage in the bed of the Tacoma on some trims. Could this be incorporated into the Scout , perhaps in the rear cargo area or the available "frunk".
• I love the Rivan R1T hidden storage between the rear seats and bed- what hidden space can be utilized on the Scout? I've seen images of the R1T pullout kitchen.
• 
  Pull out Kitchen
• 
  Plaid Interior
• 
  Easter Egg

 

[IdahoJOAT]

I was anxious about posting this the first time around, but I've had more time to put more thought into this, so yes, I'm replying to my own post.

I've long awaited the Bronco release and been a day-one reservation holder; The delay is that I've been awaiting the Heritage trim, which I have placed an order on. I think Ford did a remarkable job with the modern vehicle that resembles the gen 1; I hope Scout Motor Co. can do the same.

I'll elaborate on some of the prior recommendations I made.

• Mount the mirrors to the A-pillar. If you've owned a Jeep, you understand how inconvenient it's been to remove the doors and reinstall the mirrors if your state requires it. Unfortunately, the mirrors are attached to the door hinges and you are left with a vibrating mirror at 60mph.
• Removable tops and doors-No brainer here. Also, offer the top in white
• Store doors in the cargo-this may not be a universally popular opinion, but at times I've seen guys chain their doors to trees to prevent theft during trail runs; this eliminates having to do this.
• Unique edition models- As mentioned above, I've converted my Bronco order to a Heritage model. I love the nostalgia of history. Scout could consider unique models that may remember previous trims (Sport scout-convertible top?, Ralley, SR2, etc.) or develop new trims that set each apart.
• True offroader-Ford implemented modes (Baja, sport, Sand, Mud, etc.) In addition, Badlands has a sway bar disconnect, etc. Trail turn assist that allows tight manoeuvres around turns. These have all been great features that have generated creativity in the offroad world that will compete directly with Jeep.
• Mounting point for limb risers to help protect the windshield and, to some degree, the paint/body.
• Towing capacity, currently, the Jeep Wrangler and Bronco are maxed at 3,500. While this is likely suitable for some, is it enough?
• Most important to me would be to resemble the Scout 80/800 or Scout II, depending on what direction Scout Motor Co. will go.
  • E.g. If 800, include the body line in the rear corner panels, square frame around round headlights, round tail lights, and hood body lines, and remove the tailgate folding down with possible swing-out tire gate if the spare is attached.
• Hide Easter eggs throughout; this is fun to find. How can you incorporate the history from the modern vehicle-Can you include the "IH" throughout? Give recognition to the original assembly plant in Fort Wayne, IN. Resemble some of the older interior gauges cluster and markings (E.g. Scout 800A was written on the passenger dash). Feature some of the prior Scout models in the electronics
• Wash out flooring with drain plugs; for those who will be mudding, allow the ability to take a hose to it.
• Interior, I miss those retro plaid-style interior options from the Scout II. To go along with the last bullet point, make this water-resistant, much like the marine-grade vinyl from the Bronco.
• Toyota has built a compartment for ice storage in the bed of the Tacoma on some trims. Could this be incorporated into the Scout , perhaps in the read cargo area or the available "frunk"
• I love the Rivan R1T hidden storage between the rear seats and bed- what hidden space can be utilized on the Scout? I've seen images of the R1T pullout kitchen.
• View attachment 103Pull out Kitchen
• View attachment 104Plaid Interior
• View attachment 105Easter Egg

Thank you for fleshing this all out. You make great points and ideas. I can concur with the little touches.

The easter eggs are fun as hell on the Jeeps, and they've obviously carried over to the Bronco.

Things like the dash going from a WWII Willy's Jeep to the JL show the love the company has for the heritage.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Love the ideas and we're collecting them all (or adding more checkmarks to existing lists!). Keep them coming!

 

[speedrye]

I'm a manual transmission guy, through and through, and all of my vehicles have them. I recognize this isn't practical in an EV, but I also know EVs can create whole other avenues for driver involvement that's not possible with ICE vehicles, and thus far, nobody is capitalizing on this. It's all one-pedal, point and shoot your appliance in the direction you want it to go. I'd love to see some ideas that actually increase driver involvement. None of this self-driving crap.

 

[LastDayScout]

I would love to see a three way tailgate. By that I mean…
1. The whole thing goes up
2. The window opens independently of the tailgate ( like the Scout II)
3. The rear window goes down like a 4Runner.
Not sure how all that can be pulled off!

 

[J Alynn]

I was anxious about posting this the first time around, but I've had more time to put more thought into this, so yes, I'm replying to my own post.

I've long awaited the Bronco release and been a day-one reservation holder; The delay is that I've been awaiting the Heritage trim, which I have placed an order on. I think Ford did a remarkable job with the modern vehicle that resembles the gen 1; I hope Scout Motor Co. can do the same.

I'll elaborate on some of the prior recommendations I made.

• Mount the mirrors to the A-pillar. If you've owned a Jeep, you understand how inconvenient it's been to remove the doors and reinstall the mirrors if your state requires it. Unfortunately, the mirrors are attached to the door hinges and you are left with a vibrating mirror at 60mph.
• Removable tops and doors-No brainer here. Also, offer the top in white
• Store doors in the cargo-this may not be a universally popular opinion, but at times I've seen guys chain their doors to trees to prevent theft during trail runs; this eliminates having to do this.
• Unique edition models- As mentioned above, I've converted my Bronco order to a Heritage model. I love the nostalgia of history. Scout could consider unique models that may remember previous trims (Sport scout-convertible top?, Rallye, SR2, etc.) or develop new trims that set each apart.
• True offroader-Ford implemented modes (Baja, sport, Sand, Mud, etc.) In addition, Badlands has a sway bar disconnect, etc. Trail turn assist that allows tight manoeuvres around turns. These have all been great features that have generated creativity in the offroad world that will compete directly with Jeep.
• Mounting point for limb risers to help protect the windshield and, to some degree, the paint/body.
• Towing capacity, currently, the Jeep Wrangler and Bronco are maxed at 3,500. While this is likely suitable for some, is it enough?
• Most important to me would be to resemble the Scout 80/800 or Scout II, depending on what direction Scout Motor Co. will go.
  • E.g. If 800, include the body line in the rear corner panels, square frame around round headlights, round tail lights, and hood body lines, and remove the tailgate folding down with possible swing-out tire gate if the spare is attached.
• Hide Easter eggs throughout; this is fun to find. How can you incorporate the history from the modern vehicle-Can you include the "IH" throughout? Give recognition to the original assembly plant in Fort Wayne, IN. Resemble some of the older interior gauges cluster and markings (E.g. Scout 800A was written on the passenger dash). Feature some of the prior Scout models in the electronics
• Wash out flooring with drain plugs; for those who will be mudding, allow the ability to take a hose to it.
• Interior, I miss those retro plaid-style interior options from the Scout II with BUCKET seats! To go along with the last bullet point, make this water-resistant, much like the marine-grade vinyl from the Bronco.
• Toyota has built a compartment for ice storage in the bed of the Tacoma on some trims. Could this be incorporated into the Scout , perhaps in the rear cargo area or the available "frunk".
• I love the Rivan R1T hidden storage between the rear seats and bed- what hidden space can be utilized on the Scout? I've seen images of the R1T pullout kitchen.
• View attachment 103Pull out Kitchen
• View attachment 104Plaid Interior
• View attachment 105Easter Egg

I’ve been thinking a lot about the plaid seats as well. New Bronco made effort on heritage and I think the leather plaid is great. The cloth plaid-IMHO is terrible. For years VW has done plaid really well in some of their vehicles so surely it can be done better than Ford. Speaking of seats, offer solid, heavier leather and vinyl that looks more vintage. That way buyers can pick a more neutral interior or go plaid for cool color pops. Make them selectable and not specific to a particular trim/model. Can rear front seats have cleats and connectors of some kind to allow after market mounts for various storage needs? Something more than a mesh pouch but maybe med kits or saddle packs of some sort for camping gear or work tools. Love the bucket seat suggestion too

 

[ICE_Man]

Ditch the high beltline and oversized wheels. Back to basics. No one wants blind spots caused by rear and side windows too small to see out of, and 20in wheels suck on trails, and suck a lot more electricity.

 

[LastDayScout]

Found this pic on the web. Even though I had a 1980 with the rectangular lights, I prefer C.

 

[speedrye]

The aforementioned idea of interchangeable grills is genius. Also an additional revenue source for Scout.

 

[TA_n_TN]

Found this pic on the web. Even though I had a 1980 with the rectangular lights, I prefer C.
View attachment 143

Yep.... I'm a C or F guy as well. That way it is easier to have a different or complimenting paint job on the grille.

 

[IdahoJOAT]

I've personally owned A and F.

I'd like A, E or F. There's something about the round headlights, square bezels and horizontal 3 bars.

I like when a car company has a great design they just tweak.

Chevy has the horizontal silver bar. Dodge used to have the cross(a mistake moving away from it). BMW their two nostrils. Etc.

 

[LastDayScout]

I've personally owned A and F.

I'd like A, E or F. There's something about the round headlights, square bezels and horizontal 3 bars.

I like when a car company has a great design they just tweak.

Chevy has the horizontal silver bar. Dodge used to have the cross(a mistake moving away from it). BMW their two nostrils. Etc.

Absolutely an important part of brand identity.

 

[HattoriHanzoAxleshaft]

I'm a manual transmission guy, through and through, and all of my vehicles have them. I recognize this isn't practical in an EV, but I also know EVs can create whole other avenues for driver involvement that's not possible with ICE vehicles, and thus far, nobody is capitalizing on this. It's all one-pedal, point and shoot your appliance in the direction you want it to go. I'd love to see some ideas that actually increase driver involvement. None of this self-driving crap.

I'd love to have a physical disengagement option for freewheeling or moving easily if disabled. Try to push a Bricked BEV some time...

 

[speedrye]

I'd love to have a physical disengagement option for freewheeling or moving easily if disabled. Try to push a Bricked BEV some time...

Yeah, I've seen a few stories of Rivians bricked in traffic, and they simply don't move.

 

[HattoriHanzoAxleshaft]

Yeah, I've seen a few stories of Rivians bricked in traffic, and they simply don't move.

The tesla that caught fire & couldn't be moved from traffic made me think a little about wanting an immediate disconnect available, something emergency workers can access easily.

 

[J Alynn]

I agree with square bezels just to differentiate from the keep and Bronco round headlights only so to speak even though I’m a fan of F

 

[LastDayScout]

The Jeep proved what will sell, and that's 4 doors that open up the market from like 15% of households to 90 percent of households. Then when they compete against the 2 door versions, are still capable of 95% of what the 2 doors could do, plus could tow more, rode better, and in MOST situations off-roaded better too. The 4 doors only suffer in 2 situations: Break over angle and steering radius.

I echo OleScout about the mirror placement, this is a huge plus the Bronco has over the Wrangler. Also about the removable top and the true-offroader. But I go further in saying a true off-roader is reliable. When we think of this, what do we think of?
Positively we think of the Jeep that doesn't break down. The 4-runner too.
Negatively we think of the Bronco tie rod snapping and the wheels cock-eyed on the trail. I've had two JLURs, and to say the joy at seeing that Bronco like that amongst the Jeep community was palpable.
This all equates to... over-building. Don't just say, "Good enough." A big reason the Scout II was so beloved was the strength of the frame. The D44s front and rear. It was glorious.

I will say I don't care about the storable doors. Logically, most people have shit in the back of the rig. While it's a novelty to be able to take them off at the trail, this isn't what most people can do. To design the whole rig around this idea is a mistake. That said, the ability to remove the doors in minutes is CRUCIAL. It's a must-have, just like the top.

Lastly, and this is because I own a 4xe, I think a hybrid version would be extremely nice to have. There's MASSIVE skepticism about an EV on the trail. Range? Charge time? Overlanding? Accidents/recoveries? It's a huge thing, every one of these. But the ability to have an ICE even as a backup is soo nice to have.

Sorry for the rant, these are initial thoughts and my enthusiasm hinders my logical centers.

Storable doors is non factor for me.

 

[LastDayScout]

I think the polycast turbine style would translate really well to an EV Scout!

 

[LastDayScout]

And some alloy versions of the classic white wagon wheel…

 

[OleScout]

The aforementioned idea of interchangeable grills is genius. Also an additional revenue source for Scout.

Yes, this!