Questions about the Harvester
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I love it. So true.
Probably 95-100hp. My guess is a 3 banger or a boxer 4 N/A, running regular. And for the generator my guess is either some type of alternator or possibly a MGU-H like what F1 uses just a guess probably overkill but hey who knows since we do have 2-3 years till we possibly get full details.
150 miles of range on EV only is extremely disappointing unless the battery is radically smaller and there is a meaningful weight benefit.
150 miles would be under ideal conditions. In the winter it would be less than 100. Add in hills and you are worse than that. They should spec for at least 250 miles of EV range w the extender providing the other half.
This really makes no sense. The whole point of having a range extender, is to use it when you driver longer distance.
If you have a range extender, battery should be sized to your average daily (plus a small extra margin).
Even 100 miles of battery range, is overkill for 99% of the population for an EREV/PHEV.
To go back to the original point, I believe a lot of people are misunderstanding like the OP how Harvester works.
Most people I speak with, seem to think it's like the Ramcharger and just a series parallel deal with infinite range, and not an extender.
The Ramcharger will go forever if you keep adding fuel, the Harvester will at some point have to sit and run the engine while the packs recharge.
Personally, my choice is pure EV Terra, because while I tow, quite frequently, it's only 50-60 miles round trip until a once a year long camping trip.
Most people I speak with, seem to think it's like the Ramcharger and just a series parallel deal with infinite range, and not an extender.
The Ramcharger will go forever if you keep adding fuel, the Harvester will at some point have to sit and run the engine while the packs recharge.
Personally, my choice is pure EV Terra, because while I tow, quite frequently, it's only 50-60 miles round trip until a once a year long camping trip.
I agree and also going full EV unless somehow Scout could fit the largest battery possible and maybe go with the smallest extender possible. Like 400 range on ev with another 150 on extender. Maybe it could work like this in the Terra? A dude can dream right?
It’s actually not. People in California can easily have 50 mile commutes which is 100 miles round trip. If you are carrying the extra weight of the battery around you shouldn’t have to dip into the gas engine on the daily. I have two evs and can tell you the range estimates in winter vary dramatically. A lot depends on what size battery they end up using in the range extender, if it’s 3/5 the size the the efficiency is atrociously bad. If it’s 1/3rd the size it’s a different story but I would expect much better efficiency given the reduced weight.
I will
assume their engineers have figured out what is ideal for what the majority of user feedback has been. I would ask again why if daily commuting is your concern, why wouldn’t you go with the full EV version and get 350 mile range-problem solved. If you take a long trip then you just factor in an extra charge stop. The vehicles have to be designed to maximize sales/profits. So again I suspect SM is seeing the bigger picture and this is a business decision to appeal to maximum buyers
People driving 100 miles/day in way off the average. Highly populated areas tend to have short commutes. Here is San Diego, California:
That isn't one way, that's the whole day...
Both are true here. And, in densely populated areas, you sometimes have the opposite thing that happens, as the outliers get more "outlier-ly", as the cost of living usually goes way up. So if you are looking to live somewhere affordable, but still work in the city... you often end up driving.
When I lived in Silicon Valley, I knew people that commuted into the San Jose area from as far away as Merced (200 miles one way!), Walnut Creek, and Gilroy. Those were the outliers, but they definitely happened.
That said, even getting 150 miles out of the Harvesters battery was more than I was thinking we might get at first. I was thinking it would be more in the 50-100 mile range, but we got a lot more than that.
Good news... There's real data to validate that the average daily commuting time in the US is less than 30 minutes.
Of course that includes those that take other forms of transportation / public transportation.
Some stats from BTS.gov:
87% of Americans take a car to work.
Of course that includes those that take other forms of transportation / public transportation.
Some stats from BTS.gov:
87% of Americans take a car to work.
- U.S. daily travel averages 11 billion miles a day — almost 40 miles per person per day
So, this weekend, I picked up a free GMC Sierra that had been available for months.
It was 12 miles from my home.
Has a 5.3 LS I'll swap into my 4runner, a 4L60 I'm giving to my nephew to put in his Silverado, and we'll load the rest up, haul it to the scrap yard, another 24 miles each way from my home, and split the money with the owner. I have a YouTube channel, 57,000 subscribers, junkyard, DIY, hot rod stuff, and CONSTANTLY have comments about how people wish they were closer, no such deals in their area, etc etc etc... And I travel for work, I work in automotive, I visit suppliers, customers, all over the country, walk into their junkyard, find th ething, every time.
People like to talk about what they're going to do, not get up off the couch and go do.
In 6 months, he was unable to find, out of a sea of ICE powered trucks, someone with the trailer and ambition, to load up a dead truck and haul it 20 miles. In spite of a desirable motor that people drool over and yammer on about how they'd slap it into this or that.
This is the most I've towed in three months, and infinity times more than any truck in my office parking lot will tow all year long, easily, easily within the 100-150 miles of towing range I'm estimating a pure EV Terra gets.
I, in a typical year, haul a camper 500 miles to the UP of Michigan, I would have to charge multiple times. I also typically go southwest for a trailer full of parts or a donor vehicle, I would have to charge a lot.
The rest of the year, using my truck more than 99% of trucks around me, as a truck, hauling, towing, pure EV will never, ever be a problem for me. 100% of what has kept me out of the truck market is price. I won't pay 75k to smash an axle into my bedside, but 50k, I can live with.
I understand, that averages and numbers are bell curves, and outliers exist that only tow 10k up a mountain daily. But most people with range anxiety, have no real reason to have range anxiety.
It was 12 miles from my home.
Has a 5.3 LS I'll swap into my 4runner, a 4L60 I'm giving to my nephew to put in his Silverado, and we'll load the rest up, haul it to the scrap yard, another 24 miles each way from my home, and split the money with the owner. I have a YouTube channel, 57,000 subscribers, junkyard, DIY, hot rod stuff, and CONSTANTLY have comments about how people wish they were closer, no such deals in their area, etc etc etc... And I travel for work, I work in automotive, I visit suppliers, customers, all over the country, walk into their junkyard, find th ething, every time.
People like to talk about what they're going to do, not get up off the couch and go do.
In 6 months, he was unable to find, out of a sea of ICE powered trucks, someone with the trailer and ambition, to load up a dead truck and haul it 20 miles. In spite of a desirable motor that people drool over and yammer on about how they'd slap it into this or that.
This is the most I've towed in three months, and infinity times more than any truck in my office parking lot will tow all year long, easily, easily within the 100-150 miles of towing range I'm estimating a pure EV Terra gets.
I, in a typical year, haul a camper 500 miles to the UP of Michigan, I would have to charge multiple times. I also typically go southwest for a trailer full of parts or a donor vehicle, I would have to charge a lot.
The rest of the year, using my truck more than 99% of trucks around me, as a truck, hauling, towing, pure EV will never, ever be a problem for me. 100% of what has kept me out of the truck market is price. I won't pay 75k to smash an axle into my bedside, but 50k, I can live with.
I understand, that averages and numbers are bell curves, and outliers exist that only tow 10k up a mountain daily. But most people with range anxiety, have no real reason to have range anxiety.
Well said and great background for the explanation
As long as the generator can generate more electricity than the motors are consuming, this is not necessarily true. Instinctivly it makes sense that a small generator will not be able to keep up, however these comments from CES seem to indicate Scout has a plan:
At CES 2025, Scout Motors CEO Scott Keogh said that a range extender wasn’t originally in the plans, according to Edmund............
.........Keogh also squashed any fears that either Scout model would lose power, off-roading ability, or towing capacity when the gas engine kicks on. “You still have 100% gradability, you still have all the ground clearance, you still have a frunk, you still have all of the things.”
Scout's Range Extender Will Be a VW Engine That You Won't Even Notice
Scout says its gas range extender will be mounted so low and far behind the passengers that they won't even know it's there when it's on.
www.thedrive.com
As long as the generator can generate more electricity than the motors are consuming, this is not necessarily true. Instinctivly it makes sense that a small generator will not be able to keep up, however these comments from CES seem to indicate Scout has a plan:
At CES 2025, Scout Motors CEO Scott Keogh said that a range extender wasn’t originally in the plans, according to Edmund............
.........Keogh also squashed any fears that either Scout model would lose power, off-roading ability, or towing capacity when the gas engine kicks on. “You still have 100% gradability, you still have all the ground clearance, you still have a frunk, you still have all of the things.”
Scout's Range Extender Will Be a VW Engine That You Won't Even Notice
Scout says its gas range extender will be mounted so low and far behind the passengers that they won't even know it's there when it's on.
I interpret that differently.
I read that as , while the gennie is charging the batteries, their performance remains the same. And with the chemistries we currently use, battery performance does not degrade whether you're at the top or bottom of the pack.
I don't ready anywhere in that statement that you can go infinity miles as long as you have gas in it.
Too bad we don't get a follow up question.
I agree that as long as there is juice in the battery you don't lose performance, the issue only occurs once the battery hits the low lim and the generator can't keep up.
I think Scout will have to bump both numbers up as in 3 years when it ships the competition will bump those numbers a lot if they want to stay in business. This market is moving fast and currently too many players so just like PC market in 90's some will fall behind.
I'd expect EV range to go from 505 max now (Lucid) too 600+. And average from 280 or so too 350 to 400 so Scout would probably be at bottom of range in 2027/8.
I'd expect EV range to go from 505 max now (Lucid) too 600+. And average from 280 or so too 350 to 400 so Scout would probably be at bottom of range in 2027/8.
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