Questions about the Harvester

[BartMan]

They are calling it a " range extender " which does not sound synonyms with "Gas and Go" to me.

I assume the Harvester models will have a battery big enough to go 250 miles so when the Harvester kicks in at 150 there could be 30-40% charge still left in it. Then the gas inverter generator kicks on and charges the batteries which slows the battery consumption down and the range is "exstended" to 500 miles. All while not loosing any power to the vehicle until it gets down to 5 % or so. Then hopefully the Harvester can then charge at Level 2 speed overnight to power up to 50-80 %. Or you could charge at camp ground or go to super charger. This is all I want out of the Harvester.

 

[Logan]

They are calling it a " range extender " which does not sound synonyms with "Gas and Go" to me.

I assume the Harvester models will have a battery big enough to go 250 miles so when the Harvester kicks in at 150 there could be 30-40% charge still left in it. Then the gas inverter generator kicks on and charges the batteries which slows the battery consumption down and the range is "exstended" to 500 miles. All while not loosing any power to the vehicle until it gets down to 5 % or so. Then hopefully the Harvester can then charge at Level 2 speed overnight to power up to 50-80 %. Or you could charge at camp ground or go to super charger. This is all I want out of the Harvester.

Scout has repeatedly said that the harvester will have a 150 mile EV only range. I think if they had a larger battery like you’re describing, they would be advertising the longer 250 mile range on EV alone (as that would be the max it could go without turning on the harvester).

Also, "Range Extender" is a term for the type of vehicle it is (a series hybrid, and the terms "Extended Range Electric Vehicle" and "Range Extended Electric Vehicle" are used interchangeably). The problem really is that we hardly have any range extended vehicles out there to draw from, so its hard to tell what is no

The Ram Ramcharger is a "Range Extended Electric Vehicle" and is explicitly a "gas and go" vehicle. And even more, intended to be a gas and go vehicle for towing 14k lbs (it was their solution to towing problems). We also have the BMW i3 REX, which was, sort of not a gas and go vehicle (at least up mountain passes at freeway speeds). So we're basically at 50/50 for gas and go for EREV/REEV vehicles in the US (the Chevy Volt sort of was an EREV, but it could clutch into the drivetrain, even if it was a series hybrid much of the time).

All that said, it could go either way still, and we're all just guessing. And with ~80% of the preorders being for harvesters, I'm sure they know that these details are both very important, and something we're all incredibly interested to hear. I'm sure that they will let us know when they're ready.

 

[J Alynn]

@Jamie@ScoutMotors -any chance of closing this thread for a bit? I think it’s hit it educational max.

 

[BartMan]

They are calling it a " range extender " which does not sound synonyms with "Gas and Go" to me.

I assume the Harvester models will have a battery big enough to go 250 miles so when the Harvester kicks in at 150 there could be 30-40% charge still left in it. Then the gas inverter generator kicks on and charges the batteries which slows the battery consumption down and the range is "exstended" to 500 miles. All while not loosing and power to the vehicle until it gets down to 5 % or so. Then hopefully the Harvester can then charge at Level 2 speed overnight to power up to 50-80 %. Or you could charge at camp ground or go to super charger. This is all I want out of the Harvester. If

@Jamie@ScoutMotors -any chance of closing this thread for a bit? I think it’s hit it educational max.

Great idea let's stop all discussions on things we don't know about the Scout. Or we can talk about colors and other interior designs

 

[BartMan]

Scout has repeatedly said that the harvester will have a 150 mile EV only range. I think if they had a larger battery like you’re describing, they would be advertising the longer 250 mile range on EV alone (as that would be the max it could go without turning on the harvester).

Also, "Range Extender" is a term for the type of vehicle it is (a series hybrid, and the terms "Extended Range Electric Vehicle" and "Range Extended Electric Vehicle" are used interchangeably). The problem really is that we hardly have any range extended vehicles out there to draw from, so its hard to tell what is no

The Ram Ramcharger is a "Range Extended Electric Vehicle" and is explicitly a "gas and go" vehicle. And even more, intended to be a gas and go vehicle for towing 14k lbs (it was their solution to towing problems). We also have the BMW i3 REX, which was, sort of not a gas and go vehicle (at least up mountain passes at freeway speeds). So we're basically at 50/50 for gas and go for EREV/REEV vehicles in the US (the Chevy Volt sort of was an EREV, but it could clutch into the drivetrain, even if it was a series hybrid much of the time).

All that said, it could go either way still, and we're all just guessing. And with ~80% of the preorders being for harvesters, I'm sure they know that these details are both very important, and something we're all incredibly interested to hear. I'm sure that they will let us know when they're ready.

All i know is it takes a huge inverter generator to charge a battery as big as the Scout will have while it's just sitting with the engine off. How could the Harvester generator charge a battery that is completely depleted and in motion?

 

[BartMan]

Looks like Tesla is coming out with a range extender battery pack that is 600 pounds and is removable. (By a Tesla mechanic). This makes more sense to me.

 

[Chuckles]

Looks like Tesla is coming out with a range extender battery pack that is 600 pounds and is removable. (By a Tesla mechanic). This makes more sense to me.

It only adds 120 to 130 mi of range, takes up space in the bed, and drops payload. And it's $16,000. Not much value there.

 

[BartMan]

It only adds 120 to 130 mi of range, takes up space in the bed, and drops payload. And it's $16,000. Not much value there.

Scout wouldn’t charge that much. Plus they could do it from the get go.

 

[Chuckles]

Scout wouldn’t charge that much. Plus they could do it from the get go.

Wait, are you suggesting Scout add a bed-mounted battery for the Terra? Why is that needed with the Harvester?

 

[BartMan]

Wait, are you suggesting Scout add a bed-mounted battery for the Terra? Why is that needed with the Harvester?

It could replace the Harvester. I know not liklely so forget i said that.

 

[J Alynn]

They are calling it a " range extender " which does not sound synonyms with "Gas and Go" to me.

I assume the Harvester models will have a battery big enough to go 250 miles so when the Harvester kicks in at 150 there could be 30-40% charge still left in it. Then the gas inverter generator kicks on and charges the batteries which slows the battery consumption down and the range is "exstended" to 500 miles. All while not loosing and power to the vehicle until it gets down to 5 % or so. Then hopefully the Harvester can then charge at Level 2 speed overnight to power up to 50-80 %. Or you could charge at camp ground or go to super charger. This is all I want out of the Harvester. If

Great idea let's stop all discussions on things we don't know about the Scout. Or we can talk about colors and other interior designs

I get it but this conversation/thread is just a continuous loop of guessing at what SM is NOT telling us. Putting a pause on it would get people talking about the other 100+ things that might actually give SM ideas to incorporate into the vehicles that could benefit all of us. This forum has been great for learning and sharing but all I’ve learned in this thread is we have NO idea what any of this will be. It’s a 5 part equation and we can’t even solve for X or Y. That all said - those of us at reveal heard certain things that we can’t share and even with that insight we can’t solve what harvester will be.

 

[BartMan]

I get it but this conversation/thread is just a continuous loop of guessing at what SM is NOT telling us. Putting a pause on it would get people talking about the other 100+ things that might actually give SM ideas to incorporate into the vehicles that could benefit all of us. This forum has been great for learning and sharing but all I’ve learned in this thread is we have NO idea what any of this will be. It’s a 5 part equation and we can’t even solve for X or Y. That all said - those of us at reveal heard certain things that we can’t share and even with that insight we can’t solve what harvester will be.

Good point I will stop posting about this aspect of the Scout until we get answers. I do feel like folks are under the impression the Harvester will be able to do the impossible. Time will tell

 

[J Alynn]

Good point I will stop posting about this aspect of the Scout until we get answers. I do feel like folks are under the impression the Harvester will be able to do the impossible. Time will tell

Just FYI I wasn’t directing my response directly at you. I just feel like it’s circled 5 times now as a whole and I agree with your point. I’m not forced to read the posts so don’t stop because I commented-I just wish Jamie would drop a new topic or clarify a point on the range stuff because at this point it seems none of us know but as you said a portion want the impossible, others feel they know the answers already and others are probably extremely confused and just want legit answers.
Ultimately my intent is full EV so when all said and done I don’t care
I’d just like to get all the great energy and speculation moved to new ideas and concepts that might benefit the SM team. The first 2 years we offered a lot of ideas and lots of them showed up on concept. With 2 more years and 5X’s the number of members imagine what else might come about

 

[Logan]

@Jamie@ScoutMotors -any chance of closing this thread for a bit? I think it’s hit it educational max.

 

[BartMan]

Just FYI I wasn’t directing my response directly at you. I just feel like it’s circled 5 times now as a whole and I agree with your point. I’m not forced to read the posts so don’t stop because I commented-I just wish Jamie would drop a new topic or clarify a point on the range stuff because at this point it seems none of us know but as you said a portion want the impossible, others feel they know the answers already and others are probably extremely confused and just want legit answers.
Ultimately my intent is full EV so when all said and done I don’t care
I’d just like to get all the great energy and speculation moved to new ideas and concepts that might benefit the SM team. The first 2 years we offered a lot of ideas and lots of them showed up on concept. With 2 more years and 5X’s the number of members imagine what else might come about

I want to thank you for your knowledge and input. My inclination is full ev as well
That Tesla removable exstended battery pack seems like the best idea but Scout has to much going on to switch gears to that.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

@Jamie@ScoutMotors -any chance of closing this thread for a bit? I think it’s hit it educational max.

I'd just like to see a final answer. If Scout can come out and say what the Harvester will actually do and not do, then we can put the topic to bed.

If you close this thread another will just pop up in a week or so. Might as well leave this one open and stay the course until somebody at Scout fills us in a little more.

 

[Mattk]

The problem with the Tesla range extender is that it’s just another battery that needs to be charged. So if you’re on a cross country trip that requires multiple charging stops you’re extending the time between charges, but increasing the time to charge. This is not a trade off that most people are willing to make as charge time is the main blocker for people who want to take their EV on a long trip.

The harvester is attractive because you can theoretically trade charge time for quick fuel stops. There are many complaints about the 150 mile battery range, and I think rightfully so. Many customers will find themselves asking what is the point of having an EV if you have to run a generator to charge it all the time.

I drive my Tesla on 1800 mile trips several times a year. I understand what it’s like and what the frustrations are. I was hoping the harvester would be an answer to those frustrations, but the 150 mile range is unfortunately a deal breaker for me and I assume will be for many others.

 

[Logan]

I agree, the battery range extender for the cybertruck, seems sub-optimal.

Its hundreds of pounds, thousands of dollars, eats into storage space, and isn't something you can easily add/remove from the vehicle. I think the EREV is a better solution for most people, unless all of your trips become able to be done on 1 charge with the cybertruck range extenders, or something like that.

 

[J Alynn]

The problem with the Tesla range extender is that it’s just another battery that needs to be charged. So if you’re on a cross country trip that requires multiple charging stops you’re extending the time between charges, but increasing the time to charge. This is not a trade off that most people are willing to make as charge time is the main blocker for people who want to take their EV on a long trip.

The harvester is attractive because you can theoretically trade charge time for quick fuel stops. There are many complaints about the 150 mile battery range, and I think rightfully so. Many customers will find themselves asking what is the point of having an EV if you have to run a generator to charge it all the time.

I drive my Tesla on 1800 mile trips several times a year. I understand what it’s like and what the frustrations are. I was hoping the harvester would be an answer to those frustrations, but the 150 mile range is unfortunately a deal breaker for me and I assume will be for many others.

Then ultimately it may just not be right for everyone. It’s a great vehicle and that counts for something. A year ago there was NO range extender so the majority of folks here wouldn’t consider. Now it’s still not enough for everyone. In two years these vehicles will be $100K at the rate people want crazy range. It’s a brick on wheels. It will either work as designed for people or they will need to compromise their expectations or move on. It’s just a reality. I’d love a two seat hard top convertible but it just isn’t out there so I live without. That’s what will occur with Scouts. Good or bad!

 

[friscoscout]

Wow, I can’t believe I missed all of this! I’m out on Harvester option is it means smaller battery powered overall by gas. I’d be happier to take improved electric battery range and would gamble with the 350 mile range to meet my needs.