Questions about the Harvester
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Are you sure about going 75mph on highway would cut the range near half? Then adding a 3,500 pound trailer it is cut in half again?
EPA range number is 55% City /45% highway.
https://www.thedrive.com/guides-and... 75 mph. Motor Trend also does highway tests.
Its the same thing they do for Gas cars. I wonder if Scout already has factored in the EPA test into the range to give use the respectable range.EPA range number is 55% City /45% highway.
Here's How The EPA Determines EV Range
But it is understandable, so dive in and let's get your versed in regulatory language. But it is understandable, so dive in and let's get your versed in regulatory language.www.thedrive.com
It seems to depend on the manufacturer and how you drive it. I've seen highway tests of the ID Buzz that were way lower on pure highway, but exceeded the EPA number in City driving. There are so many variables. Of course a VW van is a giant brick and driving 75 mph doesn't do wonders for range. A Scout with 33-in off-road tires will probably lose at least 40 mi of range just on tires alone.
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35 inches* not to be nitpicking. It may lose 40-50miles, but also we have no idea how Scout engineers have software optimized for the size of tire. Rivian gets close to 330 on the large battery but 350-400 on the Max Battery. We also don’t know what type of battery Scout will be using in the battery pack.
Off-road tires get poorer fuel economy because of the aggressive tread and higher rolling resistance. Software won't change that. Improvements will come from the tire manufacturers. I'm sure they are working on it, but for now off-road tires=poorer range.
Rivian seemed to find a way. Im sure Scout will too.
I have those same BF goodrich tires on my Chevy Silverado. No difference in range from what i was able to tell and it was coming off of street tires on to Off road.
They do have smaller wheels but they did talk about the Over The Air Update that improved range.
And remember that theres a full 2-3 years for battery improvements in the future awaiting before Scout is released.
I think the point they're trying to make is that no matter what battery tech, pack size, or whatever we're talking about, it is likely that the best range, will always come from the specs with smaller, more road-oriented wheels and tires.
Now, the total range could be more/less than what we've been told before, as the pack sizes, or other things could change. But bigger/wider/heavier tires, are always going to be less efficient in the EPA tests.
Same thing happens with my Jeep, when I went to bigger/stickier/offroady tires, I saw an mpg hit. Just how it works.
Now, the total range could be more/less than what we've been told before, as the pack sizes, or other things could change. But bigger/wider/heavier tires, are always going to be less efficient in the EPA tests.
Same thing happens with my Jeep, when I went to bigger/stickier/offroady tires, I saw an mpg hit. Just how it works.
You’re acting like i have zero idea what bro is talking about. Trust me i know about range, tire compound, battery tech. I come from race car engineerings and moonshine runners. My Silverado took no effect to MPG when i went with larger rims and off-road tires then its stock street tires.
Also the BF Goodrich KO3 tires are become more of a hybrid tire as the generations move foward.
More efficient motors and batteries will come out and trust me it will make a difference. Look at the first tesla compared to Teslas of today range difference is huge. Because of new battery tech and motors.
Peace Out.
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Fwiw, I wasn’t trying to step on any toes here. Just thought I saw a misunderstanding, and tried to clear it up, that’s all. No personal slight intended.
Personally, I’m sure whatever estimates scout has given us so far, are already their best guess at EPA ranges, using whatever battery/motor/whatever technology that will be available/used at the time of release (ie, they were best guess projections/estimates).
I’m hoping that the real world range is close to the EPA range as well. It drives me sort of nuts when there is a huge gap between advertised range and actual range (Tesla recently had to lower their range advertised ranges across the board actually
). And as bad as the EPA test is, the t seems more realistic than the other tests out there (WlTP, NEDC, the china one… CLTC?).
Other test suck so much they aren’t even realistic. EPA by far wins. BMW gave up on all those test. Thats why the 0-60 figures are always worse than what they always are. And why MPG are always 6%higher than whats given. We do our own testing. Only testing BMW doe stake place in is obviously the CO2 emissions test. Everything else is in house.Fwiw, I wasn’t trying to step on any toes here. Just thought I saw a misunderstanding, and tried to clear it up, that’s all. No personal slight intended.
Personally, I’m sure whatever estimates scout has given us so far, are already their best guess at EPA ranges, using whatever battery/motor/whatever technology that will be available/used at the time of release (ie, they were best guess projections/estimates).
I’m hoping that the real world range is close to the EPA range as well. It drives me sort of nuts when there is a huge gap between advertised range and actual range (Tesla recently had to lower their range advertised ranges across the board actually
And as bad as the EPA test is, the t seems more realistic than the other tests out there (WlTP, NEDC, the china one… CLTC?).
TESLA is like what i said earlier in a thread. They are the biggest scam in history Range is always over exaggerated, they are priced as if they are a computer and not a car. Because TESLA has been called a AI learning company by Elon on a podcast. Its a Huge scam. Elon is a great mastermind but TESLA(Totally Electric Still Lame Anyway) is a scam.
NOT SCOUT though they are definitely not lame! With the rich history And Range extender make it by far the best EV coming to the market.
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My guess is it will be a low to mid compression, naturally aspirated configuration. So, probably regular.
I have some real world experience since my quad motor launch edition R1T (large battery pack) sits on 20"s. I run the Pirelli AT Scorpion in the summer (and they were intentionally engineered for off-road performance in an EV truck according to Pirelli and Rivian). Now, what you will hear from some people are things like "they are junk" "they wore out at 10K miles" "blah blah blah"... I would say these tires have been excellent on and off road and that they are fairly efficient (and quiet!) for an AT tire. Quiet is nice in an EV! You do need to rotate them, and I have a full sized spare, so I have been doing a 5-tire rotation every 6-8K miles. I bet if you drive like a complete chowder-head in a heavy EV truck all the time on shitty roads, you can probably wear them out faster. Maybe if you go into DRIFT mode and rip corners on your tar and chip road everyday you will see more wear - none of this should be a surprise... What is surprising is how far off people's expectations are.
I feel really good about the range I am seeing, compared to what I was sold at 289 miles... 289 miles on 20"s with AT's is really good for this truck IMHO. I think Rivian in general has done a good job with all of its estimates. I have 4 friends that own the R1S and have different tire and wheel combinations and they all say the same thing - Rivian is pretty spot on when it comes to range. Also, I have 40K miles on my truck and have seen no battery wear or degradation.
I could have easily gotten 300+ miles of range on other tires and wheels, but the 20"s also give you the nicest, most comfortanel ride and a little more sidewall. I'll take the small hit for AT's and 20 wheels any day. If I am on a road trip for the day, a small hit like that is barely noticeable anyways, and wouldn't even necessitate an extra charging stop for me when bumping from 10%SOC to 80% SOC along my routes.
I feel really good about the range I am seeing, compared to what I was sold at 289 miles... 289 miles on 20"s with AT's is really good for this truck IMHO. I think Rivian in general has done a good job with all of its estimates. I have 4 friends that own the R1S and have different tire and wheel combinations and they all say the same thing - Rivian is pretty spot on when it comes to range. Also, I have 40K miles on my truck and have seen no battery wear or degradation.
I could have easily gotten 300+ miles of range on other tires and wheels, but the 20"s also give you the nicest, most comfortanel ride and a little more sidewall. I'll take the small hit for AT's and 20 wheels any day. If I am on a road trip for the day, a small hit like that is barely noticeable anyways, and wouldn't even necessitate an extra charging stop for me when bumping from 10%SOC to 80% SOC along my routes.
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I'm certain it won't. Not sure what that statement was about, probably just pulling numbers out of thin air.
In my Lightning (320 miles epa estimated range), I can get well over 500 miles cruising at 35 mph and well over 400 miles in realistic city driving. On the freeway my range is generally spot on at 310-330 miles, or more if I'm trying to save energy and less if I'm in a rush.
When towing I get around 50%-75% of my non-towing range on the same highway, and about 80% range for constant speeds around 45-60 mph. My worst range is if I tow at very high speeds or if I have to speed up and slow down a lot (traffic or a winding road).
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