What is one feature you hope Scout will include that has not yet been shown?

[JeepConvert]

Do we know if the back seats on the Traveler will fold down flat and how much room there will be from back of front seat to inside of the rear fold down tailgate? It's silly but I love having the option of sleeping comfortably in the back for those quick overnighters, or when weather doesn't cooperate (not a RTT person, prefer the Gazelle tent)... I was able to do it in my LJ and JKU. In 2021 I moved over to a Diesel Gladiator and looking back, I regret my decision, not having the option to sleep in the back. After 27 years of Jeep ownership, it's time for a change. My lifestyle has changed and I don't beat up on my vehicles on trails anymore, especially since the advent of the side by side. I want something capable and reliable, with decent power and fuel economy. and along comes the SCOUT.

So back to the original statement, the Traveler would be ideal for me if I was able to jump in the back to rest and grab a quick nap. Sharing the cargo dimensions with the seat folded (hopefully flat) would be really helpful if that dimension is figured out yet...

 

[J Alynn]

Not strange at all. It's what I hear.

Either way but good reason to stay on this Scout forum only

 

[Logan]

Not strange at all. It's what I hear.

Not disputing its what you are hearing.

More surprised that the EV range for the harvester is not a known thing, as its been said publicly a number of time.

Do we know if the back seats on the Traveler will fold down flat and how much room there will be from back of front seat to inside of the rear fold down tailgate? It's silly but I love having the option of sleeping comfortably in the back for those quick overnighters, or when weather doesn't cooperate (not a RTT person, prefer the Gazelle tent)... I was able to do it in my LJ and JKU. In 2021 I moved over to a Diesel Gladiator and looking back, I regret my decision, not having the option to sleep in the back. After 27 years of Jeep ownership, it's time for a change. My lifestyle has changed and I don't beat up on my vehicles on trails anymore, especially since the advent of the side by side. I want something capable and reliable, with decent power and fuel economy. and along comes the SCOUT.

So back to the original statement, the Traveler would be ideal for me if I was able to jump in the back to rest and grab a quick nap. Sharing the cargo dimensions with the seat folded (hopefully flat) would be really helpful if that dimension is figured out yet...

I've never really camped in a vehicle thats not a minivan/suburban, but based on the size of the Traveler, I feel like its definitely a possibility.

The vehicle is about the same size (overall length) as a Toyota Highlander. And I'm having a hard time finding a specific measurement for that distance. I found one post for a 2017 model, and then saw some photos with drawn measurements... but I'm not sure on those measurements.

2019 Highlander cargo dimensions?

I am trying to configure a bike rack for the inside of a 2019 Highlander Limited Platinum that I will be receiving in about a week.

forums.edmunds.com

But I'm seeing distances between 66-78inches. So, it seems possible for an average size man to make it work, especially on the diagonal.

 

[EagleScout85]

Smart watch as key.

 

[nolen]

Not strange at all. It's what I hear.

but it is strange. Why would those places be reporting random numbers when Scout has said what it will be?

 

[vVSidewinderVv]

Keep basic convenience functions as a part of the vehicle. Remote start should heat (including window & mirror defrosting, heated seats & steering wheel) & cool based on outside temps and shouldn't be locked behind a monthly subscription fee (looking at you Kia). Paying for Satellite connectivity is fine, but don't make me pay to preheat my vehicle in the winter.

As an alternative to satellite, make the Scout's hotspot function work both ways. Have the satellite connection for those who need/want it, but allow the vehicle to connect to the internet via my phone's hotspot.

 

[ID_ENG]

Keep basic convenience functions as a part of the vehicle. Remote start should heat (including window & mirror defrosting, heated seats & steering wheel) & cool based on outside temps and shouldn't be locked behind a monthly subscription fee (looking at you Kia). Paying for Satellite connectivity is fine, but don't make me pay to preheat my vehicle in the winter.

As an alternative to satellite, make the Scout's hotspot function work both ways. Have the satellite connection for those who need/want it, but allow the vehicle to connect to the internet via my phone's hotspot.

Just playing Devil's advocate here. Remote start in itself costs money to keep alive. But I'd hope with a new purchase it comes with several years of service. And when you do need to re-up on that subscription it doesn't cost an arm and a leg... Looking at you Hyundai. There is no reason this service should cost hundreds, even for the SIM card and cloud fees for running the APIs.

Also... The vehicle must certainly be able to connect to WiFi and handle its updates both software and vehicle stats through it. And if you don't want to pay for the subscription for remote start, you should still be able to do it from your phone if your vehicle is connected to WiFi. This would be like 50% of the time you'd want to remote start, getting ready to leave the house.

Also also... This one is a bit fringe, but first I'll say remote start from the key fob should be a must and never cost extra or have a subscription tied to it. Talk about feeling like you own nothing. The fringe part is moving away from RF radios and start using LoRA technology. It's encrypted by default, and the range is incredible. Should have no problem locking, unlocking, remote starting from a half mile away even in the city. And if out in the open, essentially if you have line of sight it will reach.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'm a Terra buyer, from what I've seen of the bed, looks like it may be a molded product, at least in the concepts.

I really need a rugged floor, and the ability to tie things down in the bed, the newer trucks bed rail systems are pretty nice, I like them and hope Scout does something similar.

 

[Albal]

Just playing Devil's advocate here. Remote start in itself costs money to keep alive. But I'd hope with a new purchase it comes with several years of service. And when you do need to re-up on that subscription it doesn't cost an arm and a leg... Looking at you Hyundai. There is no reason this service should cost hundreds, even for the SIM card and cloud fees for running the APIs.

Also... The vehicle must certainly be able to connect to WiFi and handle its updates both software and vehicle stats through it. And if you don't want to pay for the subscription for remote start, you should still be able to do it from your phone if your vehicle is connected to WiFi. This would be like 50% of the time you'd want to remote start, getting ready to leave the house.

Also also... This one is a bit fringe, but first I'll say remote start from the key fob should be a must and never cost extra or have a subscription tied to it. Talk about feeling like you own nothing. The fringe part is moving away from RF radios and start using LoRA technology. It's encrypted by default, and the range is incredible. Should have no problem locking, unlocking, remote starting from a half mile away even in the city. And if out in the open, essentially if you have line of sight it will reach.

This is all really on-target.

 

[ID_ENG]

I'm going to throw a wild idea out there. Some ML based object detection.

I don't know what the underlying OS is for the media center but it looks way fast and smooth to be these hobbled together monstrosities from other vendors. I know Redhat is working with car manufacturers to get a real time Linux kernel in there. So maybe it is Linux. Point being it looks pretty capable under the hood.

With that assumption out of the way (yes I know what they about assuming). But if true, that's a pretty open ecosystem. There are many open source projects out there that can run ML/AI object detection. And really doesn't require much resources. You need the right tool for the job. But googles TPU chip which will outperform any thousand dollar CPU, only costs like $40 for an average consumer. And along with those projects there's thousands of already pre-trained objects to pull from.

Where am I going with this?
With all the cameras and what I mentioned. You could could have a true early warning detection system.
Throw in a Deer model, now as you're driving down that mountain side at dusk, your object detection could pick up that deer on the edge of the road up ahead. And give you a subtle in dash or console icon denoting an object off to the right. Just a little hey be careful, nothing crazy to distract or cause panic.

..... This has been a concept of mine for a while, but time and resources I don't think I'll get it off the ground in a meaningful way. Happy to talk Project Management terms

Just following up on this post, came across this article today:

Red Hat Achieves Functional Safety Certification for In-Vehicle Operating System

Red Hat Achieves Functional Safety Certification for In-Vehicle Operating System

www.thefastmode.com

Looks like Linux running your car is further off than I thought, but looks like Red Hat is making milestone progress getting "Functional Safety" certified.
Here's a section of a nerd podcast I listen to talking about it.

Ask Noah Show 423 - Ask Noah Show

The Ask Noah Show is a weekly talk radio show where we focus on Linux and Open Source technology. We invite the community to participate live on the air 1-855-450-6624. The show airs Tuesdays at 6pm CT on asknoahshow.com and at KEQQ 88.3 FM in Grand Forks ND. It's a free call 1-855-450-NOAH so...

pca.st

 

[ohvrider]

I know... and I'm BEYOND thrilled with 500 mile range in a full size SUV. I just checked the 2024 Tahoe (gasser) and it gets 17mpg with a 24 gallon tank for 408 miles of range.

I will be able to go farther on the first tank in the Scout, and almost as long on an extended trip between gas stops! That's absolutely phenomenal.

My Ford Raptor gets over 600 and I want more. but it has a 36 gallon tank so big gas bills.

 

[rfk]

We know Traveler comes w/ split tailgate (hooray) - would be great to see it (closed) and not persistently cluttered/blocked by spare tire carrier.

 

[Derek]

My Ford Raptor gets over 600 and I want more. but it has a 36 gallon tank so big gas bills.

I'm with you, I love big range vehicles. My 71 Travelall only get 8.5MPG, but it has 4 gas tanks totalling over 70 gallons for about a 600 mile range.

But being realistic, if I can go 500 miles before having to refuel, I'm personally happy.

 

[mldtrc]

I have been mostly only lurking the forums since I put in my reservation "for a chance to buy" a Scout. After watching the multiple YouTube videos made from people visiting CES this year and reading a few post here I finally felt I would like to make some comments.
There appears to be ample market research that thinks it knows what is best for the consumer, so I will not give any attitude about some of the choices Scout has made so far. But listening to Dre talk about some of the system's interface I can tell you I don't need an emotional support vehicle. I'm buying a vehicle to use as a tool to get me from point A to point B. My needs list demands reliability above all else. Effort should me made to allow this vehicle to operate with minimal system resources; and if that requires minimal amenities then so be it. I don't want to be stuck with a disabled vehicle somewhere because my radio stopped working or the rear defrost shorted out or whatever. Too much integration can be a bad thing. I keep my vehicles for at least 10 years and I would want a bumper to bumper warranty that would last approximately this long. IMO if you can't build a vehicle to last 10 years, don't bother building any.
Watching the videos also has me concerned about the front doors (I would much rather have a two-door model like most of the original Scout II). I see the front seats placed behind the B pillar, and with the protruding dash the entry area looks small. I won't know this for sure until I can climb into one myself. I'm a short guy and the front seating area still looks cramped from what I've seen so far.
I like the idea of what many mentioned about a flat folding rear seat. It would be nice to see this taken a step further by having the base of the rear seat removable (like in the XJ series Jeeps- it was very useful and the seat was lite weight enough for a single person to remove it easily).
Other have talked about remote start activation, but I assume this means remote activation of the HVAC systems. I live in the northeast US and would appreciate this very much, but RF activation is all I would require as I'm not looking to add more subscription services to my budget.
Right now the only other thing that would be on my wish list is consumer serviceability. I want to be able to service normal wear items myself without having to find a service center that is only going to rip me off- an epidemic that has been only getting worse over the past few years.

When will more of the general public (or at least reservations holders) be able to examine the trucks in person? Particularly in the northeast US.

 

[ID_ENG]

I have been mostly only lurking the forums since I put in my reservation "for a chance to buy" a Scout. After watching the multiple YouTube videos made from people visiting CES this year and reading a few post here I finally felt I would like to make some comments.
There appears to be ample market research that thinks it knows what is best for the consumer, so I will not give any attitude about some of the choices Scout has made so far. But listening to Dre talk about some of the system's interface I can tell you I don't need an emotional support vehicle. I'm buying a vehicle to use as a tool to get me from point A to point B. My needs list demands reliability above all else. Effort should me made to allow this vehicle to operate with minimal system resources; and if that requires minimal amenities then so be it. I don't want to be stuck with a disabled vehicle somewhere because my radio stopped working or the rear defrost shorted out or whatever. Too much integration can be a bad thing. I keep my vehicles for at least 10 years and I would want a bumper to bumper warranty that would last approximately this long. IMO if you can't build a vehicle to last 10 years, don't bother building any.
Watching the videos also has me concerned about the front doors (I would much rather have a two-door model like most of the original Scout II). I see the front seats placed behind the B pillar, and with the protruding dash the entry area looks small. I won't know this for sure until I can climb into one myself. I'm a short guy and the front seating area still looks cramped from what I've seen so far.
I like the idea of what many mentioned about a flat folding rear seat. It would be nice to see this taken a step further by having the base of the rear seat removable (like in the XJ series Jeeps- it was very useful and the seat was lite weight enough for a single person to remove it easily).
Other have talked about remote start activation, but I assume this means remote activation of the HVAC systems. I live in the northeast US and would appreciate this very much, but RF activation is all I would require as I'm not looking to add more subscription services to my budget.
Right now the only other thing that would be on my wish list is consumer serviceability. I want to be able to service normal wear items myself without having to find a service center that is only going to rip me off- an epidemic that has been only getting worse over the past few years.

When will more of the general public (or at least reservations holders) be able to examine the trucks in person? Particularly in the northeast US.

Well I'd argue for this starting price I want the ammenities ha. But I see your point. Reason I'm replying, is I don't know if you saw from the original announcement SM stated that 80% of the vehicle is owner servicable.

Someone like be probably means 10% servicable but in my ears I'm hearing mostly standard mechanic shop will do and not some specialist.

 

[J Alynn]

I have been mostly only lurking the forums since I put in my reservation "for a chance to buy" a Scout. After watching the multiple YouTube videos made from people visiting CES this year and reading a few post here I finally felt I would like to make some comments.
There appears to be ample market research that thinks it knows what is best for the consumer, so I will not give any attitude about some of the choices Scout has made so far. But listening to Dre talk about some of the system's interface I can tell you I don't need an emotional support vehicle. I'm buying a vehicle to use as a tool to get me from point A to point B. My needs list demands reliability above all else. Effort should me made to allow this vehicle to operate with minimal system resources; and if that requires minimal amenities then so be it. I don't want to be stuck with a disabled vehicle somewhere because my radio stopped working or the rear defrost shorted out or whatever. Too much integration can be a bad thing. I keep my vehicles for at least 10 years and I would want a bumper to bumper warranty that would last approximately this long. IMO if you can't build a vehicle to last 10 years, don't bother building any.
Watching the videos also has me concerned about the front doors (I would much rather have a two-door model like most of the original Scout II). I see the front seats placed behind the B pillar, and with the protruding dash the entry area looks small. I won't know this for sure until I can climb into one myself. I'm a short guy and the front seating area still looks cramped from what I've seen so far.
I like the idea of what many mentioned about a flat folding rear seat. It would be nice to see this taken a step further by having the base of the rear seat removable (like in the XJ series Jeeps- it was very useful and the seat was lite weight enough for a single person to remove it easily).
Other have talked about remote start activation, but I assume this means remote activation of the HVAC systems. I live in the northeast US and would appreciate this very much, but RF activation is all I would require as I'm not looking to add more subscription services to my budget.
Right now the only other thing that would be on my wish list is consumer serviceability. I want to be able to service normal wear items myself without having to find a service center that is only going to rip me off- an epidemic that has been only getting worse over the past few years.

When will more of the general public (or at least reservations holders) be able to examine the trucks in person? Particularly in the northeast US.

I understand a lot of folks don’t want an elaborate truck, perhaps because it’s a work truck. The conflict is every manufacturer is including the niceties and if SM doesn’t then they lose buyers on the other side of things. More than 50% of new vehicle purchases are SUVs/trucks so as SM is only making 2 vehicles to start they need to be competitive with features.
SM has noted they will have fleet sales. Perhaps they should keep the fleet vehicle line very basic and allow individual buyers to purchase singularly then buyer can piece meal upgrades after the fact. That would solve these requests and SM will have them available anyway. Maybe it’s just a few limited colors, etc. just a thought

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I understand a lot of folks don’t want an elaborate truck, perhaps because it’s a work truck. The conflict is every manufacturer is including the niceties and if SM doesn’t then they lose buyers on the other side of things. More than 50% of new vehicle purchases are SUVs/trucks so as SM is only making 2 vehicles to start they need to be competitive with features.
SM has noted they will have fleet sales. Perhaps they should keep the fleet vehicle line very basic and allow individual buyers to purchase singularly then buyer can piece meal upgrades after the fact. That would solve these requests and SM will have them available anyway. Maybe it’s just a few limited colors, etc. just a thought

Most companies won't let you, as a random guy, purchase a fleet unit. And that sucks.

Would be cool if Scout had some super basic fleet unit, and let people buy them individually also.

 

[Albal]

But listening to Dre talk about some of the system's interface I can tell you I don't need an emotional support vehicle.

I personally don't want a bunch of goofy animations/etc in the UI, just a basic, factual presentation, though I realize a lot of folks might like a warmer presentation. This makes me think that a good feature would be to make the overall UI presentation adjustable with different skins, "terse", "techno", "friendly", etc. Creating new UI skins is also something that could potentially be done by enthusiasts, if supported by the UI.

 

[hdahl]

IMO Heads up Display is the best safety feature as it keeps the drivers eyes on the road and not looking sideways to the center screen.

Apple car play is a must for my wife so she can play various apps and use cars sound while I drive.

I like ability to lock lockers on trail unlike most vehicles I've had. Bronco has this feature and hoping Scout will too.

I want heated back only so 2 buttons for heat, both and just back, Some GM's had this and I miss it.

I second the need for a HUD! I wouldn't have a vehicle without it!

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'd like vinyl seats, or something not cloth or leather. That can wipe off mud or grease.