Like Scott says. Let's wait and see. For me personally 200 miles with trailer is good for me I think SM will get there with Terra Total EV. I would hold tight and see were Chevy and Scout are in late 2027 then decide.
Scout concepts on Jay Leno’s Garage
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Oh...I've not made any decisions yet. We'll see what happens between now and show time.....but...if it does turn out this is true I'd really have to think hard about it.
Not to lose my S$#*-as I promised to do better but Jamie has said 2 or 3 times now to wait until final numbers are in.
I vote for Jamie to shut this thread down and all other related to towing until final towing capacities are announced then open the flood gates for better or worse.
I understand where you're coming from.......but I actually think threads like this are valuable to them. While the numbers are not final....and we all get that, as Jamie said.....this thread is telling Scout some very important information: This matters to people a lot and they need to consider their strategy carefully.
I don’t disagree and the concern has been expressed and Jamie has asked people to hang on until more info is available. The concern is recognized and I’m sure Jamie gets it but it’s been acknowledged and they recognize it’s a concern. Like beating a dead horse in a way.
If you kid asks for ice cream and you say know that should be the final. Not a follow up every 10 minutes asking if you’ve changed your mind
Re: towing capacity - someone pointed out it’s probably about tongue weight rather than actual pulling or stopping ability.
Putting 200lb engine (with another 100-200lbs of genset, cooling, and armor) behind the rear axle would take up that same amount of tongue weight.
Going from 7k tow rating to 5k on traveler is going from 700-1050lb tongue weight to 500-750lb…so spot on for the math.
10k>5k is a little bigger, 1000-1500>500-750, but if Scout is going to take lessons from the old rear mounted vw engines and armor the hell out of it before someone smacks it on a water bar or high curb, that’s still plausible.
Physics is a b**tch (but yeah it’d be cool to have that 7k rating!)
Putting 200lb engine (with another 100-200lbs of genset, cooling, and armor) behind the rear axle would take up that same amount of tongue weight.
Going from 7k tow rating to 5k on traveler is going from 700-1050lb tongue weight to 500-750lb…so spot on for the math.
10k>5k is a little bigger, 1000-1500>500-750, but if Scout is going to take lessons from the old rear mounted vw engines and armor the hell out of it before someone smacks it on a water bar or high curb, that’s still plausible.
Physics is a b**tch (but yeah it’d be cool to have that 7k rating!)
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Really good point on the tongue weight. Personally I think by the time all is said and done the tow rating for the traveler harvester will be around the 6000lbs range +- which is pretty good. It’s likely that the 5000lbs number was a safe number to put out until they get some things ironed out.
What's the limiting factor though? Spring rate? Frame strength? Something else? I'm good with a 6k rating, but 5k isn't high enough for my needs, (same rating my Toyota currently has).
My understanding is it’s related to how much pressure is on the steering axle - this is a function of tongue weight, vehicle length (maybe specifically how far the steering axle is from the hitch itself), and vehicle weight distribution.
Putting an engine up front under the hood is one of the simple ways of adding more pressure to the steering axle. See: 3/4 and 1-ton diesel trucks.
This is also part of why fifth wheels can load up so much heavier, because the mounting point is in front of the rear axle.
Liklely both tongue weight and the generator charging fast enough to power ev engines with 18,000 pounds of combined vehicle and trailer weight. The bigger battery of EV still effects payload capacity even though it's further forward
If anyone want to tow more with it grab a boulder or even tungsten and put it in the frunk problem solved you all are welcome.
I figured you’d suggest the extended range 50 gallon tank bladder for the frunk
The critic in me (after watching the video end-to-end) is telling me that the video may have been more impactful with less content. I totally get that Jay Leno is a great spokesperson and car guru. That said, there was a ton of repeat content. Also, much of the criticality regarding the ride, the speed, the noise came from the ride. I realize people want to see the Scout doing stuff, but the mules seem to have a small motor with obviously inadequate gear ratios for speed and performance at this stage (thus the motor noises w/wind-up and higher RPM's). We all know this and accept that this is NOT a production vehicle. My only worry is that the general public and YT'ers of the world that aren't well informed aren't left with the best 1st impression. The "Less is More" marketing strategy sometimes creates more interest too. Once the first pre-production test vehicles are out in the woods we will see some huge eyeballs for sure.
Most hand built concept vehicles have no drivetrain and rarely if ever do car companies let anyone drive them. I personally think there is nothing more Scout than us saying, yes, it is way early, but if Jay Leno wants to drive it, let's do it. We've done more with these fragile concept vehicles than most any car company would ever do and we're just getting started.
As for real prototypes, we just wrapped up a round of winter testing and it is amazing to see them ripping around an ice lake skid pad roosting snow sideways. Hopefully we can share some of that soon.
As for real prototypes, we just wrapped up a round of winter testing and it is amazing to see them ripping around an ice lake skid pad roosting snow sideways. Hopefully we can share some of that soon.
It is very cool that you guys brought a couple of one off concept cars for jay to drive. I just hope the scout models we get aren’t overly watered down versions of the concept cars like we normally get (bronco).
Would love to see a couple pics of the winter testing or a video.
That is AWESOME, and what do you know, you just set up your next test drive with Leno to blow his doors off. I see a round #2 video coming...
I would agree 100% that you guys have pushed the boundaries with those early concept vehicles more than any manufacturer I have ever seen. Everyone here knows... Its the less knowledgeable / more "impressionable" ones out there that I worry about. LOL.
Honestly i like seeing these concepts being pushed, most companies let them sit in warehouses not saying any names (BMW). Letting people drive them is just a step closer to the public eye of how confident a company is which is a good thing.
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