Yes, that’s in Canadian. We also have ultra-low overnight electricity rates which are two and a half cents per kWh so very cheap overnight energy thanks to so many renewables on the grid. Our grid is roughly half nuclear with the rest being some sort of renewable and about 10% being gas at peak times.
Thank you sir. Appreciate the response and your continued real world EV educational support
I’m it sure that’s true, you’re making a lot of assumptions. Fast charge stations cost tens of thousands of dollars in capital just to build, then there’s rent for the site, plus tens of thousands for the high capacity grid connection at the site plus all the approvals. Then there’s the commercial energy billing which is not the same as how it's done for residential electricity. Those chargers are liable to be used at the absolute worst time to draw energy so that energy could be extremely expensive. There’s a lot of overhead and margins aren’t as good as you might think. If it were really that lucrative there would be no concerns about having enough fast charge infrastructure because everyone would be scrambling to get in on the action.
Yes, for daily driving I generally do 20 ish % to 80 ish %. On road trips though I'll typically charge to 100% at home then run it down to 10 ish % on the road and fast charge back up to 80% until I get to my destination. A 10% to 80% charge usually runs me between $20-$30 CAD depending on the charging network. They used to bill based on time and my car charges exceptionally fast so back then a fast charge would cost around $8 CAD.Based on several of your responses on ‘filling up’. I’m assuming that was approximately 20%-ish to 80%-ish?
This is all new to me so trying to understand. Trying to give my wife a comparison between her 16 gallon Pilot at +/-$3.75 per gallon vs the equivalent in an EV Scout if range lands somewhere around 325 miles.
She’s the money/finance person at home and work-I just play with pens and markers in my daily life drawing ‘stuff’
I ended up also renting a Grand Cherokee Hybrid and was not impressed. I was driving in SC on mostly flat interstate, so limited braking. The batteries quickly drained down and the trip was all gas. Got stuck a couple times where the battery was so low that couldn't get it to go into drive.The wife and I recently flew out to Denver for a long weekend get away (Whiskey Myers concert at Red Rock - highly recommend!). We rented our car through National, which allows you to pick any car in certain rows. As we approached this area to select one, we came across two EV options. I wanted to take the opportunity to try one out for the weekend; however, I couldn't work up the courage to do so knowing we would be doing a lot of driving in the mountains. .....that dang ol' range anxiety won again
As we were about to get into our comfort zone ICE rental, a Grand Cherokee Hybrid pulled up. Range anxiety gone, jumped in and headed to the mountains.
Day 1 - Disappointed! I watched the digital gauge continue to show >1% on the battery. I figured the ICE side of things would charge as we go....I was wrong. Really had no interaction with the battery side at all and was contemplating finding a charger to at least try the battery side out.
Day 2 - No driving, visiting family
Day 3 - Dumbass mode disengaged! If found a button (late in the day on our way to Breckenridge). Clicked that button with a battery icon and some circular arrows. Immediately noticed when I let off the gas the SUV was slowing down much faster. Seems that the regenerative braking you all talk about on this forum is activated by a button. Who knew....I sure didn't. So now we are seeing that battery percentage on the rise.
Day 4 - Lets experiment on our way back to the Denver airport. We decided to take the longer, more scenic route via Loveland Pass. Between the climb up and the downward slopes in-between the climb, I had found myself with a whopping 12% of battery as we reached the top of Loveland Pass. I had also looked down to see that my gas range showed to be 335 miles left on that tank. On the descent I found myself constantly watching the battery vs gas engine usage. I was able to finesse the throttle, without changing the speed much, and actually charge the battery instead of use the battery. The ICE indicator was almost non-existent. SO, how far could I go, IN THE MOUNTAINS (mind you it was not all descents), before running out of my 12% of battery and having to switch back to ICE? 40 miles!!! That 12% battery charge seemed to last forever! Yes, I know, your thinking "but it was all down hill". It really wasn't though. Again, I was constantly watching that battery gauge and finding it would use up some battery, then charge, then use, then...well you get the point. All in all it was kinda fun to see just how well it did in the mountains contrary to my initial expectation when choosing not to pick the EV. All those Tesla's I saw in the mountains continued to rub that in. I continued to watch the gauges as I drove through Denver and on to the airport. The recharge rate was not as good, but still there. The only reason I bring that up is because throughout that trip from the top of Loveland Pass to the airport (80+ miles total), my gas range was 332 miles from the starting point of 335 miles.
Lesson Learned? Re-gen in the mountains was impressive, and next time I'm planning not to scare off so easy and regain some sense of adventure in life! Those Rocky Mountains are where I fell in love with my cousin's Scout II 30 years ago, and now I can't wait to try out a 2026 on our next trip to Breckenridge
That is the perfect way to think about it. I've had the same problem with pump anxiety after I reached a remote gas station with my ICE car running on fumes and none of the pumps worked.
Recommendations? Are the Lectron and A2Z ones good? I have a Lectron 120v charger and it seems like it's pretty good quality (although it's really only for emergency charging at home or at a family members house/etc.)
Tom Moloughney who runs “State of charge” YouTube channel has reviewed these. While each of them has had some minor issues (including teslas adapter), these specific ones seem to be pretty legit, high quality with appropriate safety features.
Assuming you were on I-70, there are a great many recharging stations between Denver and Grand Junction. Many of them even work!The wife and I recently flew out to Denver for a long weekend get away (Whiskey Myers concert at Red Rock - highly recommend!). We rented our car through National, which allows you to pick any car in certain rows. As we approached this area to select one, we came across two EV options. I wanted to take the opportunity to try one out for the weekend; however, I couldn't work up the courage to do so knowing we would be doing a lot of driving in the mountains. .....that dang ol' range anxiety won again
As we were about to get into our comfort zone ICE rental, a Grand Cherokee Hybrid pulled up. Range anxiety gone, jumped in and headed to the mountains.
Day 1 - Disappointed! I watched the digital gauge continue to show >1% on the battery. I figured the ICE side of things would charge as we go....I was wrong. Really had no interaction with the battery side at all and was contemplating finding a charger to at least try the battery side out.
Day 2 - No driving, visiting family
Day 3 - Dumbass mode disengaged! If found a button (late in the day on our way to Breckenridge). Clicked that button with a battery icon and some circular arrows. Immediately noticed when I let off the gas the SUV was slowing down much faster. Seems that the regenerative braking you all talk about on this forum is activated by a button. Who knew....I sure didn't. So now we are seeing that battery percentage on the rise.
Day 4 - Lets experiment on our way back to the Denver airport. We decided to take the longer, more scenic route via Loveland Pass. Between the climb up and the downward slopes in-between the climb, I had found myself with a whopping 12% of battery as we reached the top of Loveland Pass. I had also looked down to see that my gas range showed to be 335 miles left on that tank. On the descent I found myself constantly watching the battery vs gas engine usage. I was able to finesse the throttle, without changing the speed much, and actually charge the battery instead of use the battery. The ICE indicator was almost non-existent. SO, how far could I go, IN THE MOUNTAINS (mind you it was not all descents), before running out of my 12% of battery and having to switch back to ICE? 40 miles!!! That 12% battery charge seemed to last forever! Yes, I know, your thinking "but it was all down hill". It really wasn't though. Again, I was constantly watching that battery gauge and finding it would use up some battery, then charge, then use, then...well you get the point. All in all it was kinda fun to see just how well it did in the mountains contrary to my initial expectation when choosing not to pick the EV. All those Tesla's I saw in the mountains continued to rub that in. I continued to watch the gauges as I drove through Denver and on to the airport. The recharge rate was not as good, but still there. The only reason I bring that up is because throughout that trip from the top of Loveland Pass to the airport (80+ miles total), my gas range was 332 miles from the starting point of 335 miles
Lesson Learned? Re-gen in the mountains was impressive, and next time I'm planning not to scare off so easy and regain some sense of adventure in life! Those Rocky Mountains are where I fell in love with my cousin's Scout II 30 years ago, and now I can't wait to try out a 2026 on our next trip to Breckenridge
.Using a manual gear box clutch is a good comparison to what one pedal EV driving is like.Assuming you were on I-70, there are a great many recharging stations between Denver and Grand Junction. Many of them even work!
You'll find that much like a gas engine, your range depends on your right foot and the terrain you're driving in. You'll get a sense of the range you have left for a given battery percentage, just like to have for your smartphone when it's at 25% and you don't have your charger with you. Soon you'll realize, hey, that's like, 1/4 tank - I have 50 miles easy before I *really* have to worry. The cool thing is, most infotainment systems (esp Android Automotive) will remind you early, and then suggest a good station to stop at to recharge, as long as you have set a destination. Most also offer route planning functions.
For me the biggest non-issue was getting used to the regenerative braking - to me, it felt like when I used to drive a manual (remember those?), and you let your foot off from high rpm in a low gear and used the engine braking to slow down. Same feeling in your butt meter, just a different calibration.
