Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I am in the gas and go camp. Less interested in the alternative but of course need to know final specs to see if it works for me.This is currently unknown, and likely the most speculated/desired information that we do not know about the scouts right now.
Seems like half of the people are thinking it will be "gas and go" like you're wanting (I'm also in that camp), while the other half is expecting a smaller generator, that "slowly depletes" the range, and then you recharge and refuel at the same time.
But the end of the story is, we just don't know.
And we're excited to hear.
Harvester Talk: Q&A
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No doubt there will be trip settings with the Harvester controls. Remember, batteries are simply a reservoir and you, on average, only need about 20-30 hp to overcome 70mph wind resistance and friction on a level grade. Harvester will need to know your trip length, average speed and the change in elevation, particularly when loaded and/or towing. To max out the range, it may need to fire up at the very beginning.
This is currently unknown, and likely the most speculated/desired information that we do not know about the scouts right now.
Seems like half of the people are thinking it will be "gas and go" like you're wanting (I'm also in that camp), while the other half is expecting a smaller generator, that "slowly depletes" the range, and then you recharge and refuel at the same time.
But the end of the story is, we just don't know.
And we're excited to hear
My gut says if they know today that it will be 'gas and go' then they would be saying this.....it is a huge selling point for EV only reluctant buyers. I am betting they are trying to engineer to this outcome but they don't know if it is possible yet.
Scout's Range Extender Will Be a VW Engine That You Won't Even Notice
Scout says its gas range extender will be mounted so low and far behind the passengers that they won't even know it's there when it's on.
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Posted as already in thread 'Extra, Extra....Read All About It!' https://scoutmotors.community.forum/threads/extra-extra-read-all-about-it.172/post-19543Scout's Range Extender Will Be a VW Engine That You Won't Even Notice
Scout says its gas range extender will be mounted so low and far behind the passengers that they won't even know it's there when it's on.
I think it heavily depends on the size of the harvester engine. I would assume the 500 projected range is probably based on the estimated fuel tank and running at max setting. Theoretically, you could fill the tank up multiple times and keep going but I assume it depends if the engine could keep up with the positive charge needed. If the mi/kw isnt high enough, the engine can’t keep up with the charge so to continue you will inevitably have to charge to continue quicker.
How much gas does the Harvester use to get 500 miles? I just changed my reservation to the Harvester version, but I might actually want the pure electric version now...
I am curious how much vertical space is needed to package the Harvester engine behind the rear axle (including with the spare for the Terra). With that Magna solid rear eBeam axle - including it's fat motor, the suspension travel will require a relatively high interior floor. From the pics on the website and of the prototypes, it does appear to be up there. SUV trucks with folding third row seats (Expedition/Tahoe/Grand Wagoneer/Sequoia/R1) now use an independent rear suspension setup, in part, to make room and for a lower floor and folding seats. Since there is no third row on the Traveler, the floor can be high to accommodate both the fat eBeam axle and the Harvester engine/generator assembly. The only negatives are some reduced interior volume and a relatively high load floor. This may be why Ford chose a robust independent setup for the F150 Lightning.
No one knows exactly. I'd expect about 20 MPG while burning gas on the highway. It's just the reality of trucks this size, and series hybrid will not make it better.
The 500 miles is expected to be 150 miles of battery range, and 350 miles of gas range.
350miles/20mpg = 17.5 gallons.
If you did the whole 500 miles on gas, then 25 gallons.
The Harvester would require 18.375 gallons of gas to produce enough electricity to charge & travel 350 miles, so you could theoretically get away with a 20 gallon tank (based on the range estimates provided).
This estimate is assuming that the truck is running at 2 miles / kWh (on average), and that the Harvester will require 0.105 gallons of gas to produce 1 kWh of electricity, and considers average generator efficiency at a flat load + losses for conversion.
This estimate is assuming that the truck is running at 2 miles / kWh (on average), and that the Harvester will require 0.105 gallons of gas to produce 1 kWh of electricity, and considers average generator efficiency at a flat load + losses for conversion.
That’s an awfully big tank to squeeze under the vehicle. Curious how they’ll get that squeezed in there
Its probably a 15 gallon tank which would make sense why they showed off the jerrycan.
The tech interests me. My hybrid accord has a 12 gallon tank +/- and can go 600 miles in summer so I get different vehicle/different function but the opportunities are there
And running a generator is less of a load on an engine. Compared to powering the wheels.
Forward portion of battery is removed. Which leaves lots of room for a gas tank.
They mentioned at the reveal the rear portion was adjusted to accommodate the generator/engine at least for the traveler. If that’s the case it’s still gonna be tight. Was also noted on the Terra the extra length would allow batteries to slide front or back as needed to accommodate.
Full battery is more than 2X larger than the Harvester battery, that is a pile of space that can easily be recovered.
