Speculation Alert - possible Harvester Engine Choices

[Rampy]

Scout have not set any expectations that the vehicle will keep going forever on gas. It gets 500 miles. Then you’ll probably be looking to charge.

It’s primarily an EV, Sout’s concept artwork shows a small generator that can only possibly serve to extend the life of the battery. It can’t be compared to vehicles with full sized engines and small batteries.

Most people will rarely need to use the Harvester. Most of the time is it dead weight that has a cost to move around. Making the generator small and lightweight is sensible from the point of view of efficiency. But when you need 500 miles it’s got your back.

The i3 generator was useless because it kicked in way too late. They made it that way to qualify for some government credits or something.

If the battery is low, charging a parked vehicle to 80% with the Harvester, if possible, and if it is a small generator like Scout’s concept artwork shows, will probably take several hours. So if there’s more driving to do, we’ll be recharging at an EV charger. But if we’re sitting around for a few days at a campsite and if we’re able to run the generator with the vehicle parked, it could be mostly charged by the time we leave.

Limping around at slow speeds could be dangerous. It would probably be better to charge with the Harvester while parked, then drive safely to the nearest charger at normal speed. I think charging while parked is a more essential feature than a limp mode.

But we’ll have to wait a see.

Not everyone lives in Kalif or along the Eastern seaboard where chargers are everywhere, lots of wide open spaces in “fly over country” and a incredible amount of Americans have never traveled across America learning about our country

I’ve seen several Teslas run out of juice & be flatbed to a hotel with Tesla chargers & was told the tow truck company sees around 6 EV’s a year that run empty

Right now I can jump in my gas guzzling F250 and 410 miles later pull into an offspring’s driveway without stopping. Now factor in 25% battery degradation in winter…..

But not everyone understands the needs of “fly over country”

 

[Rampy]

Realistically I realize it likely wouldn’t be as easy as just refueling the gas tank and continuing on, but that wasn’t really what I was saying. I was merely saying that when the battery does deplete enough that the RE activates that I hope it can still perform at maximum capability until it runs out of fuel, but you touched on that as well in your last paragraph about limping around.

If it could literally be as easy as refueling that would be pretty dang awesome, but yea I don’t have my eyes set on that being a likelihood.

In a perfect world, that’s my fantasy but realistically it’s just not possible with today’s technology

 

[CarTechGeek]

Scout have not set any expectations that the vehicle will keep going forever on gas. It gets 500 miles. Then you’ll probably be looking to charge.

The rest of the industry competition will create expectations though.

Directly competing in full size trucks, The Ramcharger will be able to keep going forever on gas. Outside of Trucks the Chevy Volt over a decade ago also could just keep going forever on gas, as does Rav4 Prime, and Prius Prime, and every other PHEV today.

IMO if they can't do that with the rear mounted Range Extender, then they should return to the drawing board and put a bigger engine under the hood.

That's better than being the next i3 Rex, that serves as example of how NOT to do a plug in.

It may technically be decently capable with a weaker Range extender, but that will depend on educating and convincing customers to give up the versatility that every other plug in has, in favor of doing things only a certain way. Good luck with that.

 

[Rampy]

The rest of the industry competition will create expectations though.

Directly competing in full size trucks, The Ramcharger will be able to keep going forever on gas. Outside of Trucks the Chevy Volt over a decade ago also could just keep going forever on gas, as does Rav4 Prime, and Prius Prime, and every other PHEV today.

IMO if they can't do that with the rear mounted Range Extender, then they should return to the drawing board and put a bigger engine under the hood.

That's better than being the next i3 Rex, that serves as example of how NOT to do a plug in.

It may technically be decently capable with a weaker Range extender, but that will depend on educating and convincing customers to give up the versatility that every other plug in has, in favor of doing things only a certain way. Good luck with that.

As a former Dodge owner, they have gone off the EV deep end since Stellantis purchased them and they have lots of issues. Wont believe the press releases till 2-3,years has gone by & they have vehicles on the road

 

[CarTechGeek]

As a former Dodge owner, they have gone off the EV deep end since Stellantis purchased them and they have lots of issues. Wont believe the press releases till 2-3,years has gone by & they have vehicles on the road

I don't know what "gone off the EV deep end" means.

But Dodge had plenty of issues before the became part of Stellantis, so I really haven't noticed much of a change in that respect.

No guarantee any car not yet shipping will ship from anyone. VW's woes could see them pull the plug on Scout.

Let's just assume they will each ship product within a year of their goals, that puts the Ramcharger shipping first and it will set expectations for Scout Harvester behavior (as will all previous PHEVs to some extent).

 

[Rampy]

I don't know what "gone off the EV deep end" means.

But Dodge had plenty of issues before the became part of Stellantis, so I really haven't noticed much of a change in that respect.

No guarantee any car not yet shipping will ship from anyone. VW's woes could see them pull the plug on Scout.

Let's just assume they will each ship product within a year of their goals, that puts the Ramcharger shipping first and it will set expectations for Scout Harvester behavior (as will all previous PHEVs to some extent).

Dodge is known for its V8 powerhouse engines & they did away with them all thinking that a EV Charger or Challenger would be acceptable & they have fallen flat on their face with these EV “muscle car”

Law enforcement agencies ordered hundreds of V8 Chargers to put in storage & use as needed along with buying tons of spare parts

As far as dodge trucks

 

[CarTechGeek]

V8 weren't replaced with EV's. They were replaced with the Hurricane Turbo I6.

The entire automotive industry has been downsizing and turbocharging.

If you want a V8, and you see one that is still available, buy it now, as they are an endangered species.

 

[Rampy]

V8 weren't replaced with EV's. They were replaced with the Hurricane Turbo I6.

The entire automotive industry has been downsizing and turbocharging.

If you want a V8, and you see one that is still available, buy it now, as they are an endangered species.

Tell that to the huge V8 fan base Dodge built around the V8 & how they flip flopped from the V8 Demon to a I6 that is not as strong as the 1980’s V6 Buick GNX

Ford went to a V8 in the Raptor and the Mustang making profits while at the same time taking a 5 billion loss in the EV market

The old saying no replacement for displacement is still extremely valid

Regardless of all the political rhetoric (and pollution concerns) pushing EV’s they are only a very small segment of the auto industry & the infrastructure does not exist to support them

Are they the vehicle of the future, who knows but they do have a place in today’s society just like gasoline & diesel powered vehicles have a place

 

[dearbulls]

Scout have not set any expectations that the vehicle will keep going forever on gas. It gets 500 miles. Then you’ll probably be looking to charge.

It’s primarily an EV, Sout’s concept artwork shows a small generator that can only possibly serve to extend the life of the battery. It can’t be compared to vehicles with full sized engines and small batteries.

Most people will rarely need to use the Harvester. Most of the time is it dead weight that has a cost to move around. Making the generator small and lightweight is sensible from the point of view of efficiency. But when you need 500 miles it’s got your back.

The i3 generator was useless because it kicked in way too late. They made it that way to qualify for some government credits or something.

If the battery is low, charging a parked vehicle to 80% with the Harvester, if possible, and if it is a small generator like Scout’s concept artwork shows, will probably take several hours. So if there’s more driving to do, we’ll be recharging at an EV charger. But if we’re sitting around for a few days at a campsite and if we’re able to run the generator with the vehicle parked, it could be mostly charged by the time we leave.

Limping around at slow speeds could be dangerous. It would probably be better to charge with the Harvester while parked, then drive safely to the nearest charger at normal speed. I think charging while parked is a more essential feature than a limp mode.

But we’ll have to wait a see.

Negative. A main goal of REEV is it shouldn't change the way you live unlike BEV did. You should be able to have full capability not relying on charging network. Of course, people would charge whenever they can, but they shouldn't be limited to that. Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of 500 miles. Limp mode for 500 mi is meaningless

 

[dearbulls]

Not everyone lives in Kalif or along the Eastern seaboard where chargers are everywhere, lots of wide open spaces in “fly over country” and a incredible amount of Americans have never traveled across America learning about our country

I’ve seen several Teslas run out of juice & be flatbed to a hotel with Tesla chargers & was told the tow truck company sees around 6 EV’s a year that run empty

Right now I can jump in my gas guzzling F250 and 410 miles later pull into an offspring’s driveway without stopping. Now factor in 25% battery degradation in winter…..

But not everyone understands the needs of “fly over country”

That is correct. Especially this vehicle seems to be targeting the "outdoorsy" people.

 

[dearbulls]

As a former Dodge owner, they have gone off the EV deep end since Stellantis purchased them and they have lots of issues. Wont believe the press releases till 2-3,years has gone by & they have vehicles on the road

Stellantis do not really have a BEV yet. Even the ram charger's RE tech is coming from Chinese company Leap Motors, which is also known for "valued" product but not good quality product, just like fiat, Chrysler, or stellantis

 

[dearbulls]

V8 weren't replaced with EV's. They were replaced with the Hurricane Turbo I6.

The entire automotive industry has been downsizing and turbocharging.

If you want a V8, and you see one that is still available, buy it now, as they are an endangered species.

They will come back eventually. The new defender got a V8 model, although it's a small SUV

 

[Rampy]

They will come back eventually. The new defender got a V8 model, although it's a small SUV

I’ve got the 7.3L Godzilla in my F250 & it’s one of 2 V8’s offered in SuperDuties

 

[CarTechGeek]

Tell that to the huge V8 fan base Dodge built around the V8 & how they flip flopped from the V8 Demon to a I6 that is not as strong as the 1980’s V6 Buick GNX

Ford went to a V8 in the Raptor and the Mustang making profits while at the same time taking a 5 billion loss in the EV market

The old saying no replacement for displacement is still extremely valid

Regardless of all the political rhetoric (and pollution concerns) pushing EV’s they are only a very small segment of the auto industry & the infrastructure does not exist to support them

Are they the vehicle of the future, who knows but they do have a place in today’s society just like gasoline & diesel powered vehicles have a place

You seem rather anti-EV to be in an EV car forum...

 

[Rampy]

You seem rather anti-EV to be in an EV car forum...

Please tell me more since you obviously have not read all my posts

 

[dearbulls]

You seem rather anti-EV to be in an EV car forum...

Where's the "agree to disagree" nowadays?

 

[dearbulls]

You seem rather anti-EV to be in an EV car forum...

I owned almost all different power trains, I4, I6, V6, V8, ICE, HEV, BEV, only thing I haven't owned is PHEV because I think it's the worst of both worlds.

Does this qualify me to say bad things about EV now?

 

[dearbulls]

Please tell me more since you obviously have not read all my posts

Heavy duty trucks are different stories. Eventually you'll need diesel, and it doesn't matter how many cylinders on those Cummins, lol

 

[Rampy]

Heavy duty trucks are different stories. Eventually you'll need diesel, and it doesn't matter how many cylinders on those Cummins, lol

Went from a F250 with a 7.3L powerstroke diesel to a F150 till finally able to get a Raptor and back to the current F250 7.3L gasser…..no more diesel’s for this cat…..

I had an articulated steering front end loader running straight #1 freeze up on me pushing snow……while my personal diesel truck had 2 electric battery blankets, block heater and a oil pan heater running treated #1 no more diesel’s in winter

Have had the wife’s new whip for 11 months & put 18k miles on it already & would love for the Scout Traveller Harvester replacing it…….

 

[merrelljohnson]

Ok, that raises a whole other set of questions

That’s what TFL speculated, if you look at the Funk, there is a massive space behind it.