I would guess that they do include the spare tire since the exterior mounted spare comes mounted to all models? Ford and Jeep's websites don't note a with or without length. Land Rover Defender publishes both.
So what does everyone think of the first new Scout designs...
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I’m going to guess no because when I looked up Bronco is listed 196” and that extra 5” is probably the portion of tire that extends beyond the rear bumper. But I’m not an expert 
If this is true then this vehicle may not be for me. Size alone makes it a $85k vehicle compared to $55k expected pricing for a Rivian R2 with both front and rear drive.
Competitive to which segment-removable roof segment or off road segment (defender/4-runner)?????For reference in this off-road SUV segment:
MODEL 2025 Land Cruiser 2025 4Runner Bronco Jeep Defender 110 Chevy Tahoe Rivian R1S
We haven't confirmed dimensions yet. It is safe to say we will be competitive in the segment. Honestly, I was surprised at the dimensions of some of the above models. Debate on...
@J Alynn In which dimension? Can't say yet and honestly, things are still subject to change.
@JohnnyScout I wouldn't automatically extrapolate a full-size pickup truck with a high price tag. One of the benefits we have is the ability to leverage/utilize VW group parts. For example, if we need a window regulator, we have numerous vehicles across VW/Audi/Porsche that we can source something from that is already engineered, tested and produced in large numbers that help bring the price down. I can't promise anything at this point regarding price, but I can say it isn't apples to apples in the current market. We also plan to offer a decent spread of trim options. Stay tuned...
Can't say yet and honestly, things are still subject to change. @JohnnyScout I wouldn't automatically extrapolate a full-size pickup truck with a high price tag. One of the benefits we have is the ability to leverage/utilize VW group parts. For example, if we need a window regulator, we have numerous vehicles across VW/Audi/Porsche that we can source something from that is already engineered, tested and produced in large numbers that help bring the price down. I can't promise anything at this point regarding price, but I can say it isn't apples to apples in the current market. We also plan to offer a decent spread of trim options. Stay tuned...
Well you can’t blame me for trying@J Alynn In which dimension?
@JohnnyScout I wouldn't automatically extrapolate a full-size pickup truck with a high price tag. One of the benefits we have is the ability to leverage/utilize VW group parts. For example, if we need a window regulator, we have numerous vehicles across VW/Audi/Porsche that we can source something from that is already engineered, tested and produced in large numbers that help bring the price down. I can't promise anything at this point regarding price, but I can say it isn't apples to apples in the current market. We also plan to offer a decent spread of trim options. Stay tuned...
Any chance you can show us a design version of the scout with the top down. I realize this might never be developed, however I suspect you would get a lot of interest by those planing to use the scout for off road use, camping etc. The reduced speed when off roading would mean the reduced efficiency with the top down would be less of a problem.
Almost got him. Can't wait for the reveal though. I need to look back through the forum, I can't remember if they said they will reveal both at the same time but sell the pickup first or if they are just revealing the pickup and selling it first then the SUV will be revealed later.
I recall SUV first and pick up very shortly after. Though I’m sure that’s up in the air but somewhere it was said that SYV would be first. At some point one of the news agencies noted pick up and I asked for clarification and I think Jamie had confirmed SUV but that was months ago
Oh yep, looks like I got it backwards. https://scoutmotors.community.forum...the-latest-updates-in-one-place.342/post-6079
How do you like your 2023 Bronco Heritage? I wonder if the slide-out tailgate is as strong as the old kind with a chain to support it.
I love the classic look of the exterior on the Bronco. Just wish they made it in EV.
Awesome lines, super modern and sleek, would like to see also a more Traditional / Throw Back version of each vehicle
Not really a fan of the new Hummer but sitting here looking at the massive rear I must say the taillights are a nice combo of new and retro in shape. Simple but clean and maybe I’m wrong but vertical reverse lights are a cool look.
I think two design options would look great. First that iconic Scout II top and second the iconic nose design used on the Scout 80's and 800's. I think the first year production should have a very limited number of Scout 800 Aristocrat paint schemes. Also, (now don't laugh), Scouts would look awesome painted a deep metallic eggplant purple. Envision it.
I will 100% agree that the purple would look cool (my favorite color-FYI) but I would never buy one
. Probably more because I want like a lagoon blue/teal/green color like the one sample Jamie posted on the color poll thread. But if you end up with one please post in like 2-1/2 years so I can see it and tell you how good it looks
Hellbilly has it right. Make it like he says. But more than that. Make it so when you see it, you know what it is. You don’t have to read the badge to see who made it. I have owned two Scouts and two Jeeps and when seen from any angle and any distance you know what they are.
So the Jeep is 2" thinner, an inch shorter at the spare, and 2" longer by wheelbase. Which is something I always fought with when the Jeep guys and I would compare.For reference in this off-road SUV segment:
MODEL 2025 Land Cruiser 2025 4Runner Bronco Jeep Defender 110 Chevy Tahoe Rivian R1S
We haven't confirmed dimensions yet. It is safe to say we will be competitive in the segment. Honestly, I was surprised at the dimensions of some of the above models. Debate on...
They'd always tell me, "You can't go on trails. You're too big dude!" and then we'd run numbers.
Likewise, if you put those two vehicles side by side, you'd swear the Bronco is much bigger than the Jeep. It's the fenders. If you tucked those wheels up into the body and made them be flush with the panels it'd be a totally different story.
No this is fun because it appears smaller than it is... this sucks because we lose a lot of interior space we'd otherwise have.
Just kinda food for thought. I chose my Scout IIs purely because they could realistically transport the family and gear into the woods whereas a Jeep(TJs at the time) I'd be compromising.
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