Range extender - please adjust spec to 250 miles of EV Range

[Variable430]

The range extender should get at least 50% of its 500 mile range in pure EV mode otherwise it would be pretty worthless with only 150 miles that you can only get in ideal conditions. In the winter this likely means sub 100 miles pure EV range - not acceptable

 

[J Alynn]

I have an EQS and a BMW i4. If you drive on the freeway at 70mph+ the range of the car is heavily dependent on the aerodynamics. 350 miles could be achievable - your gonna need a very big battery which has its own issues in trying to charge on level 2. You also need to take 80% of the estimated range unless you want to torch your battery which means 280 miles of range - again that won’t be at freeway speed. I’m not trying to get into an argument it’s just the reality of EV ownership. I’ve put my deposit down so I love the concept, I just hope the Scout team is skating to where the puck is going and not where it is today.

As I said a number of times-it may not be the right vehicle for everyone. I’d love a Porsche Carrara but it just isn’t a logical fit for me at this time. I’m not asking Porsche to make a car just for my needs. Not every vehicle made works for every buyer-even if we are drawn to said vehicle. Just the realities of life. If 350 miles doesn’t work and you aren’t willing to stop and charge then it probably isn’t the right vehicle.

 

[Variable430]

As I said a number of times-it may not be the right vehicle for everyone. I’d love a Porsche Carrara but it just isn’t a logical fit for me at this time. I’m not asking Porsche to make a car just for my needs. Not every vehicle made works for every buyer-even if we are drawn to said vehicle. Just the realities of life. If 350 miles doesn’t work and you aren’t willing to stop and charge then it probably isn’t the right vehicle.

I think what I’m saying is 350 isn’t really 350. Range estimates are highly dependent on highway vs city plus weather in an EV but we don’t have the detail today to understand what the real world specs are.

 

[R1TVT]

I think what I’m saying is 350 isn’t really 350. Range estimates are highly dependent on highway vs city plus weather in an EV but we don’t have the detail today to understand what the real world specs are.

That is the way all EV's and ICE vehicles work.

A stated range of 350 for a pure EV truck is phenomenal for many reservation holders. You put an ICE truck and EV truck in a headwind up a cold windy mountain road and you are going to see hits.

At slower speeds, and in an EV, you could also see MORE than 350 miles of range on back roads.

 

[EricB]

First post!

Anyway, since this is the Suggestion Box, I agree with the original post, I would suggest 200-250 miles of EV range. Actually, or less (100 miles?). I find 150 an odd choice. That's way more than the average person needs for average daily driving. But it's not enough for those driving even a few hours a day (especially where there is winter).

My use pattern is < 25 miles a day during the week, 140-200 miles on a weekend day, or 400-800 miles a half a dozen times a year. I was hoping to only need the range extender on those long road trips, not every weekend. But I suppose I'll still burn less gas than in my current truck, but more than I had hoped.

BTW, does anyone know what the MPG will be when using the range extender? Sort of an odd question, but I'm sort of curious.

 

[Logan]

First post!

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BTW, does anyone know what the MPG will be when using the range extender? Sort of an odd question, but I'm sort of curious.

Welcome!

The short answer is unfortunately, no, no one knows what the MPG will be. In fact, since they haven't released many details, there really isn't much that we DO know about the range extender, and thus is one of the hotly discussed (I'd say debated, but it's more like "theorized" TBH).

What we DO know, mostly comes from the Ram Ramcharger. It offers 142 miles of EV range, and a total of 690 miles of range, using a 3.6L V6 producing ~130-190kw of power, using a 27 gal gas tank. So if you do 690-142, you get 548 miles of gas only range, out of 27 gallons. So that works out to ~20mpg, give or take.

Now, the Ramcharger is larger than the Scouts. It has a ~14k lb towing rating, and is expressly stated that it has enough power to "gas and go" while towing (the gas engine can generate enough electricity to keep up with the electrical demands while it is towing). So this means it might be less efficient than the Scouts (which, most people are theorizing the scouts will use a 3 or 4 cylinder generator).

That said, the Scouts are (big picture) fairly similarly sized/shaped to the Ramcharger. And I can't imagine their efficiency on the open road at 70-80mph is going to be particularly great. Which means that while I have some hopes that the Scouts will get better than 20mpg, I'm not certain that we'll see it.

 

[J Alynn]

First post!

Anyway, since this is the Suggestion Box, I agree with the original post, I would suggest 200-250 miles of EV range. Actually, or less (100 miles?). I find 150 an odd choice. That's way more than the average person needs for average daily driving. But it's not enough for those driving even a few hours a day (especially where there is winter).

My use pattern is < 25 miles a day during the week, 140-200 miles on a weekend day, or 400-800 miles a half a dozen times a year. I was hoping to only need the range extender on those long road trips, not every weekend. But I suppose I'll still burn less gas than in my current truck, but more than I had hoped.

BTW, does anyone know what the MPG will be when using the range extender? Sort of an odd question, but I'm sort of curious.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[J Alynn]

First post!

Anyway, since this is the Suggestion Box, I agree with the original post, I would suggest 200-250 miles of EV range. Actually, or less (100 miles?). I find 150 an odd choice. That's way more than the average person needs for average daily driving. But it's not enough for those driving even a few hours a day (especially where there is winter).

My use pattern is < 25 miles a day during the week, 140-200 miles on a weekend day, or 400-800 miles a half a dozen times a year. I was hoping to only need the range extender on those long road trips, not every weekend. But I suppose I'll still burn less gas than in my current truck, but more than I had hoped.

BTW, does anyone know what the MPG will be when using the range extender? Sort of an odd question, but I'm sort of curious.

Perhaps the full EV is a better choice. At 350 mile range, even with a 50% return on the coldest months of the year that’s still 185-200 miles per charge during less than ideal conditions which satisfies your noted needs. On your 400-800 range trips your still going to need at least one stop to fuel so for another 10-15 minutes you could go to full EV and avoid all the hassles and maintenance of a gas engine.

 

[eddiet1212]

Perhaps the full EV is a better choice. At 350 mile range, even with a 50% return on the coldest months of the year that’s still 185-200 miles per charge during less than ideal conditions which satisfies your noted needs. On your 400-800 range trips your still going to need at least one stop to fuel so for another 10-15 minutes you could go to full EV and avoid all the hassles and maintenance of a gas engine.

I agree

 

[THil08]

As I said a number of times-it may not be the right vehicle for everyone. I’d love a Porsche Carrara but it just isn’t a logical fit for me at this time. I’m not asking Porsche to make a car just for my needs. Not every vehicle made works for every buyer-even if we are drawn to said vehicle. Just the realities of life. If 350 miles doesn’t work and you aren’t willing to stop and charge then it probably isn’t the right vehicle.

A Porsche would be a midlife crisis car for me lol.

 

[J Alynn]

A Porsche would be a midlife crisis car for me lol.

I’m 52 the end of March so I’d say I qualify now but just can’t justify that kind of bank to drive in congested traffic. My Audi TT was as close as I came but even that wasn’t fun cuz I had no where to open it up on a regular basis-but boy did it love the bendy roads

 

[eddiet1212]

A Porsche would be a midlife crisis car for me lol.

Compromise?

 

[Scout2]

I didn’t read all 7 pages of replies, so it might have been mentioned, but you do want to use the gas engine in the harvester model to keep it functioning well. Worst thing you can do for an engine is let it sit. There might be an exercise function (there ought to be), but better to need the gas engine from time to time so it doesn’t start having problems. I initially thought the 150 mile ev range was not enough, but have since changed my mind for this reason.

 

[EricB]

Perhaps the full EV is a better choice. At 350 mile range, even with a 50% return on the coldest months of the year that’s still 185-200 miles per charge during less than ideal conditions which satisfies your noted needs. On your 400-800 range trips your still going to need at least one stop to fuel so for another 10-15 minutes you could go to full EV and avoid all the hassles and maintenance of a gas engine.

I have wondered about that too, but the recharge time on those 800 mile days likely makes it a 2 day drive instead of 1, which is why I like the Harvester idea so much. I think my plan will be to wait and see what the final specs are, and then decide. That will also give me time to get over the fact that I can't get my "perfect" vehicle and realize how close the Tera Harvester actually is.

 

[J Alynn]

Compromise?
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I looked at the Macan several times but I’ve had a diecast model of a Porsche Boxster for over 20 years and I truthfully would love a 718 but my love and nostalgia for a Scout outweighs it. While my wife/accountant know we could swing both there is a practical side that makes me feel selfish. That money would pay for a lot of travel trips both across US and Europe. So time will tell. Maybe a 2008 used Boxster

 

[flamesfan2635]

150 miles of EV range will be plenty for me with my day to day needs. I opted for the Harvester because the charging network in Montana is still way behind. My hope is 500 miles combined, and then if I’m at a spot where a charger is not available, I can get gas and keep going at highway speeds.

I can’t stress this enough, the Harvester needs to be able to run at highway speeds on gas only safely. If not, there’s not a lot of sense to invest in the Harvester.

Agree 100%. Enough EV for 95% of the average daily commuter's needs and gas and go for road trips. Without the gas range when you're away from the grid... well, then you can't go off grid

 

[Variable430]

That is the way all EV's and ICE vehicles work.

A stated range of 350 for a pure EV truck is phenomenal for many reservation holders. You put an ICE truck and EV truck in a headwind up a cold windy mountain road and you are going to see hits.

At slower speeds, and in an EV, you could also see MORE than 350 miles of range on back roads.

The difference is the time to charge vs the time to refuel which is why understanding the battery tech and specifications are far more critical in an EV.

 

[Variable430]

A Porsche would be a midlife crisis car for me lol.

Have had mine for 7 years. I like it better than the newer generation, more analog, just the right amount of tech.