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My Mustang has a 92 kWh battery, which I suspect is about half the size of the battery the electric-only Scout will have (350 miles range / 1.9 miles/kWh efficiency = 184 kWh). My Mustang also has a 400V (nominal) battery, which is half the promised voltage of the Scout battery. Assuming those two things suggests that the Scout will require about the same amount of time to charge the same % while on DCFC. Over several hundred DCFC charging sessions in the past few years and 52,000 miles, my median charging stop time is 25 minutes (this includes the Lightning, which has a bigger battery but about the same maximum charge rate as the Mustang). I would expect anywhere from ~10 minutes to 30 minutes for most charging stops in the Scout, assuming access to 350 kW chargers. If the power limit on the chargers is closer to 150 kW, then I think you'll see closer to 45 minute stops.
For at-home charging, the charge time is pretty irrelevant. A 184 kWh battery charging at 11 kW goes from 0% to 100% in 17-18 hours. If you're driving less than 50% in any given day, and you can charge for at least 10 hours in a day, the charger will catch you up faster than you'll deplete the battery.
For at-home charging, the charge time is pretty irrelevant. A 184 kWh battery charging at 11 kW goes from 0% to 100% in 17-18 hours. If you're driving less than 50% in any given day, and you can charge for at least 10 hours in a day, the charger will catch you up faster than you'll deplete the battery.
From my experience, I see between a 6% and 16% increase in long range road trip times. Usually closer to 10%. I consider a road trip to be at least 5 hours one way. The drive we do most often is 1100-1200 miles round trip. We don't see a difference in travel time. We stop at the same places for the same amount of time. We stop for lunch, and while we're eating, the car is charging--we often have to hurry back to the charger because it's idling and we are in danger of being charged idle fees (and more importantly, blocking someone else from charging). We stop for dinner and the car charges while we're eating. Some trips take longer, often because we run into unexpected issues. Sometimes chargers are heavily used or blocked or overheating. But it's rare and we just enjoy the journey. If we're in a hurry, it's a flight, not a road trip.
Also in my experience, people underestimate how long they spend at a gas station. I've taken to timing people when I'm in drive-throughs, charging, etc. My small sample of data suggests the time people spend at the station is closer to 10-15 minutes. A 5-minute stop usually only happens at gas stations in town, where all people are doing is gassing up on the way home. Freeway stops tend to involve the restroom, snacks, walking the dog, finding the kids, etc.
Also in my experience, people underestimate how long they spend at a gas station. I've taken to timing people when I'm in drive-throughs, charging, etc. My small sample of data suggests the time people spend at the station is closer to 10-15 minutes. A 5-minute stop usually only happens at gas stations in town, where all people are doing is gassing up on the way home. Freeway stops tend to involve the restroom, snacks, walking the dog, finding the kids, etc.
I agree that most people stop for more time than they realize. With that said, we are often trying to squeeze 10 or more solid hours of driving (does not include any time for stops) into a single day. Therefore, it is not uncommon for us to get to a gas station and have everyone hop out - I start the pump while everyone hops in the travel trailer to go to the bathroom and grab snacks and if all goes well we’re ready to hop back on the road when the pump clicks off. Burning 40 or more minutes at every single stop would change how many days would be required for our trips so it’s a big consideration. Definitely not the same situation for everyone though as we’re probably the minority.
Yes, that describes our road trips too. I've started studying the charging app maps. I see that there are many more large Supercharger stations than I ever noticed. I don't understand all of the plug types and nuances of picking a station and charging, but I have a few years to learn.
Yes. 10 hours of solid driving is somewhat rare for most people. My wife and I have done these days on occasion, but that's almost always in the motor home. Sounds like that's you too when you're pulling a trailer. Seems to me that an EV pulling a trailer and wanting to travel for 10 solid hours with very few stops is a special problem.
Yep, I agree it’s probably a special problem. Fingers crossed that the Harvester will make it a possibility!
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900 mile in one day road trips leave very little “extra” time. Because that extra time would push us into the “this is a two day trip” range.
I’ve timed our stops the last few years. We are usually 10-15min, which is basically gas and pee, then go. We occasionally take as long as 20min.
According to a few vehicles I’ve tested on a better route planner, an EV would add an extra 45min-3hours or so to the drive, depending on the model. An extra 45 minutes would likely be ok. But 3 hours would mean an 18hr day, which is more than I’m comfortable doing.
EV times are getting close though. And depending on the actual charging speed/charging curve, it might work for us. but my reservation is for a harvester just because I don’t think the charging infrastructure will be where it needs to be in the rural parts of WA, OR, ID and UT by the time we can purchase.
We will see though
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I’m In the same boat as you.Yep, I agree it’s probably a special problem. Fingers crossed that the Harvester will make it a possibility!
900 mile in one day road trips leave very little “extra” time. Because that extra time would push us into the “this is a two day trip” range.
I’ve timed our stops the last few years. We are usually 10-15min, which is basically gas and pee, then go. We occasionally take as long as 20min.
According to a few vehicles I’ve tested on a better route planner, an EV would add an extra 45min-3hours or so to the drive, depending on the model. An extra 45 minutes would likely be ok. But 3 hours would mean an 18hr day, which is more than I’m comfortable doing.
EV times are getting close though. And depending on the actual charging speed/charging curve, it might work for us. but my reservation is for a harvester just because I don’t think the charging infrastructure will be where it needs to be in the rural parts of WA, OR, ID and UT by the time we can purchase.
We will see though
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So I (probably with many others) posted that it would be cool if the Traveler was large enough that it could power the Scout. Very much like a modern locomotive. Then 90% of the time you could use the Scout as an EV but on special occasions (long trips, power outages, etc.) you could use the Scout more like an ICE. Everything has tradeoffs, seems like the best of both worlds to me.Yep, I agree it’s probably a special problem. Fingers crossed that the Harvester will make it a possibility!
I agree the Harvester could end up offering pieces of both worlds all at the same time to make for a great package. I’m keeping my eye on the Ramcharger release for sure as I see similarities. Just like Logan, my family and I take frequent trips throughout the rural and sometimes remote parts of many western states and current charging infrastructure is somewhere between inadequate and non-existent in a lot of those places. I do not expect any significant change to that situation in the next two to four years. I’m staying tuned for details on how the Harvester will function and everything that the whole package will end up offering. Pretty exciting!
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