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That's the complete opposite direction of where the whole car industry is going. Jeep 392 is basically the holdout and that may not be long for this world either.
Interest and attention, but not actual purchases. Everyone says they want a V8 until they make it to the gas pump. The V8 is rightfully fading into history with modern turbo fours and sixes getting higher torque and horsepower while also returning greater fuel economy. In my experience, it's the older crowd raised on decades of marketing claiming the V8 is the pinnacle of power that clamor for everything under the sun to come out with a V8 version.
I can’t believe SM didn’t think of this themselves!
Brilliant idea-gold star for you !!!
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Brilliant idea-gold star for you !!!
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Well the V-8 crowd eventually capitulated and relinquished the horse and buggy, so there is still hope.
(maybe I have that backwards, but I don't think it matters)
(maybe I have that backwards, but I don't think it matters)
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FWIW, the 392 was supposed to end production this year (and they had an OVER $100k!!! "Final Edition"). But it looks like Stelantis has reversed its decision, and it will be sticking around for another model year.
That said, I completely agree with the rest of the sentiment. The V8 has been removed from much of Jeeps lineup, with everything going to the Hurricane straight 6 turbo.
The upside, is that for people that want a V8 offroad SUV, they're still available
. I personally think EREV's are going to start being more popular here soon (particularly in the "road trip vehicle", and "away from chargers except at our house" types of vehicles), but I guess we'll see.
What about those who just love the rumble of a V8? Oh. Nobody here cares? Oh okay, I see. Never mind.
While I get the jest of what you are saying, there is something to be said about a large displacement V8. They are dead stone reliable and go forever with basic maintenance. My Titan V8 is true example of that. The high-strung smaller engine might initially seem better, but long-term durability is where they fail. V8's are simple and cheap to fix. Now, the Gas Pump thing is real. And that is the primary reason for my changing over. This is based on my years not only using V8's, but also from what I've seeing being in the automotive industry.
I think Scout is wise to go the route they did. The EV mandates may or may not change. The price of fuel may or may not change. And emissions standards may or may not get more restrictive. With that being said, I believe Scout positioned themselves perfectly because of the changes that are out there but not set in stone. Of course, the gas engine is wanted, but the EV range extender is brilliant, and an excellent way to differentiate Scout from everyone else. Kudos to the Scout team for having the balls to do it.
After watching what transpired on Tesla forums and then Rivian forums, I don't think comments like this really help the building of the community. It may not be intentional on your behalf, but it wreaks with entitlement and superiority of thought. Instead, maybe we should concrete reasons why Scout, and customers like us thing this is the only way forward. Insulting people on behalf of their values and beliefs usually doesn't bode well or help them move on to our side. Just my 2 cents.
I agree with this.
Also, I love the sound of V8's. My fathers first car was a '65 Corvette (bought from the junkyard, as it was raced/wrecked). I have family who races dragsters (Uncle raced Top Alcohol, was a Top fuel crew chief. My cousins were multi-time national junior drag champions, Pro Comp Champions, etc, etc). So Engines that go "vroom" are in my blood.
In college I had the sound of a classic V8 set as my computers startup sound
.That aside, I think the direction where Scout is going makes the most sense for new/future vehicles right now. And I think that while Turbos are great at adding more power to small engines to meet emissions regs, they do add complexity, and the "tighter they're wound" the "lower the durability/reliability" is a definitely a thing IME. Thats why if possible, I'd love to keep the generator from having to be overly complex (ie, Naturally Aspirated?).
Oh, I definitely love the rumble. I've owned various foreign and domestic V8 trucks, cars, and SUVs throughout the years. That being said, if the Scout was going to be just another V8 offering, I wouldn't be invested. I already have a V8 SUV on A/Ts. I'm interested in Scout primarily because they are showing to be EV at their core, and I've been waiting for a decent sized, off-road capable EV that supports at least 35s without cutting things off.
Exactly, lots of hate directed towards gas/diesel vehicles here just under the surface and more…….
With the new administration the EV subsidies will end as will the insane MPG regulations the feds put out. It also looks like Kalif will no longer be allowed to demand a special gas blend
The cons of an EV are off topic and not allowed here just like on other EV groups/forums and if they are mentioned…….
I agree with this.
Also, I love the sound of V8's. My fathers first car was a '65 Corvette (bought from the junkyard, as it was raced/wrecked). I have family who races dragsters (Uncle raced Top Alcohol, was a Top fuel crew chief. My cousins were multi-time national junior drag champions, Pro Comp Champions, etc, etc). So Engines that go "vroom" are in my blood.
In college I had the sound of a classic V8 set as my computers startup sound
That aside, I think the direction where Scout is going makes the most sense for new/future vehicles right now. And I think that while Turbos are great at adding more power to small engines to meet emissions regs, they do add complexity, and the "tighter they're wound" the "lower the durability/reliability" is a definitely a thing IME. Thats why if possible, I'd love to keep the generator from having to be overly complex (ie, Naturally Aspirated?).
I’m a old V8 gearhead & have had V8’s on and off for decades to include Dodge’s, Ford’s and even a 70 Chevelle SS 396 I do really miss
That said Ford went to V8 as an option in the Raptor and I’ve got a 7.3L V8 in my Frapptor
I like the harvester option Scout will be offering & absolutely think EV’s have a place as long as honest pros & cons are always addressed without emotion
I’m tired of the V8 rumble and setting off car alarms at 0530 cold starting the Charger SRT
Though about going to an aftermarket exhaust for the Fraptor 7.3L Godzilla but it’s also nice being quiet
I don’t disagree but for those of us who have been here for two years we seem to get a new poster every 3-4 weeks who just blurts out that Scout will fail without ICE, without v-8, without 1600 mile range. After a while you learn that education is rarely what those people want. They are upset they aren’t getting what they want so they blurt out then tend to disappear in the shadows. I wish people were more open. I came on here at nearly day one hoping EV would not be the answer but I’ve grown and learned over past two years because I was open minded and wanted to learn -and didn’t start my first thread with gloom/doom and management advice. If you are open minded this forum is amazing as a source of EV education
I’m tired of the V8 rumble and setting off car alarms at 0530 cold starting the Charger SRT
Though about going to an aftermarket exhaust for the Fraptor 7.3L Godzilla but it’s also nice being quiet
My Jeeps 4.0L straight six isn't loud, but it isn't quiet either. And I know what you mean.
When I was in college, and living in a huge apt complex, I had a roommate that occasionally would borrow it to drive is GF to work on snowy mornings. And despite me not waking up for the 5am departure of my roommate... I would immediately wake up/know when he left/returned, just because the sound was so distinctive.
That said, EV's aren't totally quiet either. The new backup required sounds are pretty loud, at least on my PHEV. Its like the worlds most pathetic dump truck backing up, and I do feel bad doing it when its early in the morning.
The forward driving low speed noises aren't as intrusive, but the beeping while backing up? Yeah, those can be mildly annoying.
My comment was tongue in cheek and not sure anyone here was alive in 1896, but sorry to offend you - my apology. However, my first car was a V8, and I have nothing against them. We are in a transition period where EV's and ICE will coexist for a long time - the EXACT same way horses & buggies co-existed on roadways until the 1920's.
That said, this forum is dedicated to the new Scout, and there is no V8 offering, so as pointed out very articulately above, when you come to the cave to simply to poke the bear, thats on you. Scout has made its intentions clear - offer two versions and create something differentiated, rugged and capable. You don't seem to be behind it. But we lived through this on the Rivian forums too, and even though Scout is providing 2 powertrain options, there will be detractors. You can still find V8's though, just not at Scout. There's no mandate here - you don't need make a reservation.
The Mustang has a quiet mode for morning starts. A great idea!I’m tired of the V8 rumble and setting off car alarms at 0530 cold starting the Charger SRT
Though about going to an aftermarket exhaust for the Fraptor 7.3L Godzilla but it’s also nice being quiet
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