EV mandate reversal.

[Scoutsie]

Don’t get me wrong and maybe you used the correct word-‘presented’.I think all environmental elements are important for long term. I’m not going EV for nature though. I’m going for Scout but also ease of use/ maintenance, silence, charge at home and sick 0-60mph times. I think using nature and environment currently doesn’t work for many politicians. Using tech, made in America, staying ahead of our major competitors is something politicians seem to be willing to get behind.
Jump on Scout FB page and every other post is misquoting the gazillion fossil fuels used for EV. If the focus was stay ahead of China, crush buyer interest in BYD, and make desirable vehicle for good ‘ol’ USA the mindset might be easier to change.

Speaking for myself, I never would have considered an ICE Scout. There’s no way I’d pay for ~25 gallons of gas a couple of times a week, I don’t have that kind of disposable income. The only reason this is interesting to me is because it’s electric. EV = doesn’t destroy the planet with emissions and is also a lot cheaper to maintain and operate. Sign me up. Otherwise, hard pass.

Scouts are starting to lose their appeal to me because of the lack of other women (with my demographics) weighing into these conversations. That’s telling me something kind of vital about where I fit into this: I don’t. This is a bro space.

While the commenters on Facebook might be misinformed about fossil fuels and what’s used for what, they’re likely not policy makers. Homer Simpson had a line once where he said he was a white male from the age of 18-49 and everyone listened to him no matter how dumb his suggestions were. They’re who matters.

 

[chucchinchilla]

As a consumer my main concern is the EV tax credit going away however when you consider some (not all) ICE competitors, it's actually not scary at all.

Scout Traveler: $60K
--------------------------
Toyota Land Cruiser $57K
Chevrolet Tahoe Z71: $60K
Land Rover Defender 110: $61K
Lexus GX: $64K

Again, these are just SOME vehicles just to get a pulse and I didn't include pickups so don't pick apart the list, however I think the point is made...even if/when the tax credits go away Scout will still be able to compete very well against the rest especially with the Harvester option which will be absolute gold in this market.

 

[chucchinchilla]

Scouts are starting to lose their appeal to me because of the lack of other women (with my demographics) weighing into these conversations. That’s telling me something kind of vital about where I fit into this: I don’t. This is a bro space.

Having done various car forums for 20+ years I can confirm this phenomenon is not unique to Scout.

 

[THil08]

As a consumer my main concern is the EV tax credit going away however when you consider some (not all) ICE competitors, it's actually not scary at all.

Scout Traveler: $60K
--------------------------
Toyota Land Cruiser $57K
Chevrolet Tahoe Z71: $60K
Land Rover Defender 110: $61K
Lexus GX: $64K

Again, these are just SOME vehicles just to get a pulse and I didn't include pickups so don't pick apart the list, however I think the point is made...even if/when the tax credits go away Scout will still be able to compete very well against the rest especially with the Harvester option which will be absolute gold in this market.

Take a look at ford broncos sitting on lots, they make all these options look cheap. I saw one on a lot the other day asking for 110k. Scout with or without the credit is still a better option than all these in the long run when you factor in maintenance costs.

 

[cyure]

As a consumer my main concern is the EV tax credit going away however when you consider some (not all) ICE competitors, it's actually not scary at all.

Scout Traveler: $60K
--------------------------
Toyota Land Cruiser $57K
Chevrolet Tahoe Z71: $60K
Land Rover Defender 110: $61K
Lexus GX: $64K

Again, these are just SOME vehicles just to get a pulse and I didn't include pickups so don't pick apart the list, however I think the point is made...even if/when the tax credits go away Scout will still be able to compete very well against the rest especially with the Harvester option which will be absolute gold in this market.

I completely agree. Nothing is inexpensive these days! You can add the new 4Runner to your list as well!

 

[eddiet1212]

I completely agree. Nothing is inexpensive these days! You can add the new 4Runner to your list as well!

Like you said....

Kelley Blue Book Report: Average New-Vehicle Prices Climb Higher

For Fourth Consecutive Month, Flirt with All-Time High

New-vehicle prices increased for the fourth straight month in December and, at $49,740, were near the all-time record set in December 2022.

Incentive levels held steady at 8% of ATP in December, higher by 44% year over year; the average new-vehicle incentive package in December was $3,958.

Sales of vehicles priced above $80,000 boomed in December, an increase of 37% year over year and well above long-term averages.

Kelley Blue Book Report: Average New-Vehicle Prices Climb Higher

For Fourth Consecutive Month, Flirt with All-Time High New-vehicle prices increased for the fourth straight month in December and, at $49,740, were near the all-time record set in December 2022....

mediaroom.kbb.com

 

[chucchinchilla]

Take a look at ford broncos sitting on lots, they make all these options look cheap. I saw one on a lot the other day asking for 110k. Scout with or without the credit is still a better option than all these in the long run when you factor in maintenance costs.

I completely agree. Nothing is inexpensive these days! You can add the new 4Runner to your list as well!

Bronco and 4Runner are great examples to add to that list as well. It appears Scout will start at a fairly loaded 4Runner level (but not TRD Pro which is $67K) so seems reasonable. Bronco has a crazy wide range of prices however it appears my local dealer mostly stocks cars in the mid $60K range so also fair game.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Buying one with or without a mandate lol.

Grid is going to work regardless, people been singing that tune for ten years.

 

[J Alynn]

As a consumer my main concern is the EV tax credit going away however when you consider some (not all) ICE competitors, it's actually not scary at all.

Scout Traveler: $60K
--------------------------
Toyota Land Cruiser $57K
Chevrolet Tahoe Z71: $60K
Land Rover Defender 110: $61K
Lexus GX: $64K

Again, these are just SOME vehicles just to get a pulse and I didn't include pickups so don't pick apart the list, however I think the point is made...even if/when the tax credits go away Scout will still be able to compete very well against the rest especially with the Harvester option which will be absolute gold in this market.

Was announced today (just posted on the Extra,extra thread) that the tax credit is GONE along with the money allocated for improving charger infrastructure.

 

[J Alynn]

Speaking for myself, I never would have considered an ICE Scout. There’s no way I’d pay for ~25 gallons of gas a couple of times a week, I don’t have that kind of disposable income. The only reason this is interesting to me is because it’s electric. EV = doesn’t destroy the planet with emissions and is also a lot cheaper to maintain and operate. Sign me up. Otherwise, hard pass.

Scouts are starting to lose their appeal to me because of the lack of other women (with my demographics) weighing into these conversations. That’s telling me something kind of vital about where I fit into this: I don’t. This is a bro space.

While the commenters on Facebook might be misinformed about fossil fuels and what’s used for what, they’re likely not policy makers. Homer Simpson had a line once where he said he was a white male from the age of 18-49 and everyone listened to him no matter how dumb his suggestions were. They’re who matters.

I would echo @chucchinchilla that it is typical. Your insight is awesome. I find even in daily life most women don’t get excited about cars. Until my wife needs one she could care less what’s going on-I’m the exact opposite. I think cars fascinate many whether it’s design, the engineering side, the EV side or just the iconic nature of certain types of legacy vehicles.

 

[THil08]

@J Alynn a 500 billion dollar investment into AI Stargate to work on technology advancements is being talked about today.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Speaking for myself, I never would have considered an ICE Scout. There’s no way I’d pay for ~25 gallons of gas a couple of times a week, I don’t have that kind of disposable income. The only reason this is interesting to me is because it’s electric. EV = doesn’t destroy the planet with emissions and is also a lot cheaper to maintain and operate. Sign me up. Otherwise, hard pass.

Scouts are starting to lose their appeal to me because of the lack of other women (with my demographics) weighing into these conversations. That’s telling me something kind of vital about where I fit into this: I don’t. This is a bro space.

While the commenters on Facebook might be misinformed about fossil fuels and what’s used for what, they’re likely not policy makers. Homer Simpson had a line once where he said he was a white male from the age of 18-49 and everyone listened to him no matter how dumb his suggestions were. They’re who matters.

I sincerely hope you stick around; I find your insights and contributions extremely valuable!

 

[cyure]

I sincerely hope you stick around; I find your insights and contributions extremely valuable!

Fellow woman here, I am a car enthusiast and have been since the day I got my first car, a 1974 Camaro Z28 350 4 speed. I hope you stick around. We need voices from all walks of life here to give our input to the Scout team!

 

[R1TVT]

Honestly, not sure if MANDATES are in the best interest of the industry in the long term. Mandates may be cheered by some, but cause the others to virtually stop giving consideration to what they feel is being forced down their throat. Build a better product at a equal or better price - don't attack 1/2 the potential customer base - and learn to win on a level playing field.

We are in a cold front right now - I am sure I could google and see someone posting how it is an example of either global cooling or global climate change.

I would tend to agree that a mandate in and of itself can be polarizing, but they can also be a catalyst for change. I actually see free-enterprise and consumer choice being the big winners here. Maybe now that there isn't a "mandate" (even though there wasn't a "mandate") more people will make a choice to buy a better performing, lower maintenance, more fun to drive EV truck? We will have to wait and see.

Being "in a cold front" is definitely not climate change, that is weather. I would disagree with you on this based on scientific evidence, based on melting glaciers, based on sea-level rise, based on the warmest ocean temperatures ever recorded, based global temperature readings around the globe YoY in 77 countries that have recorded their highest temperatures of all time in 2023 (all quantifiably measurable)

 

[Sisko99]

As others have said, getting rid of the Mandate probably actually helps companies like Scout. A lot of people don't like being told they HAVE to do something. They want to choose for themselves. A lot of people don't like EVs because they feel like they're being forced down their throats....so they're pushing back. Getting rid of a mandate that says "Thou shalt do" means that EVs are able to stand on their own and compete....and since no one one is telling people they have to buy them, the dislike should start to ease up and people can decide on the merits. On top of that, if we're honest with ourselves most EVs are luxury items. It's not like everyone in the country can afford to spend 40k, 50k, 60k or more on any car, regardless of what's powering it. How would you feel if someone told you that you HAD to buy something you couldn't afford? I'd think that was pretty unfair and I'd be mad about it.

Maybe few will agree with me, but competition is a good thing. EV companies will make the ICE companies up their game...and ICE companies will keep the EV companies honest by forcing them to make decent products. Everyone decides for themselves what works best for them, what they like the most, what they can afford, or any other number of factors. I'm sure the folks at Scout believe that they have an excellent product that can stand against any car company out there and they don't need any help from the Government.

 

[J Alynn]

As others have said, getting rid of the Mandate probably actually helps companies like Scout. A lot of people don't like being told they HAVE to do something. They want to choose for themselves. A lot of people don't like EVs because they feel like they're being forced down their throats....so they're pushing back. Getting rid of a mandate that says "Thou shalt do" means that EVs are able to stand on their own and compete....and since no one one is telling people they have to buy them, the dislike should start to ease up and people can decide on the merits. On top of that, if we're honest with ourselves most EVs are luxury items. It's not like everyone in the country can afford to spend 40k, 50k, 60k or more on any car, regardless of what's powering it. How would you feel if someone told you that you HAD to buy something you couldn't afford? I'd think that was pretty unfair and I'd be mad about it.

Maybe few will agree with me, but competition is a good thing. EV companies will make the ICE companies up their game...and ICE companies will keep the EV companies honest by forcing them to make decent products. Everyone decides for themselves what works best for them, what they like the most, what they can afford, or any other number of factors. I'm sure the folks at Scout believe that they have an excellent product that can stand against any car company out there and they don't need any help from the Government.

It doesn’t hurt having vehicles like the ID Buzz and new Scouts that have some “cool” factor and some nostalgia. If built well, I think niche (can’t think of better word other that cool) EV vehicles with great, unique style and a storied history will do well.
Was sad to see Honda is bring back Prelude and Acura the RSX and they are mediocre at best. If Acura was smart the all electric version of NSX should be a more evolutionary throw back design. That was my teenage dream car. But at $60-80K having unique style helps justify the price and gets all of us 50-60 something’s nostalgic with our wallets open

 

[EV_Or_Gas]

EV mandate will be reversed today. Confirmed it will be on of the first executive orders.

If it delays Scout thats a shame on Scout Sorry.

If anything it will help them since Scout is all about bringing auto manufacturing back to the U.S.

There is a saying we have back home - a boon in a curse. I have an EV, and yes there are some limitations regarding range for long-distance driving (especially interstate driving below freezing temps), but it's also an amazing car that I have put 40,000 miles on already. And I plan on keeping it at least till it crosses 100,000 miles.
What I mean to say, is that EVs are good, fast cars - and have a ton of benefits. And now with NACS being the de facto standard - charger confusions are gone too. Removing political mandates may actually help their adoption, as there is a certain segment of the population who will oppose EVs because it's supported by the other side. Like it or not, US politics is a team sport now. Removing mandates allows EVs to compete on their merits and decouples politics from EVs. I see that being a good thing for EV adoption.

 

[LastDayScout]

Speaking for myself, I never would have considered an ICE Scout. There’s no way I’d pay for ~25 gallons of gas a couple of times a week, I don’t have that kind of disposable income. The only reason this is interesting to me is because it’s electric. EV = doesn’t destroy the planet with emissions and is also a lot cheaper to maintain and operate. Sign me up. Otherwise, hard pass.

Scouts are starting to lose their appeal to me because of the lack of other women (with my demographics) weighing into these conversations. That’s telling me something kind of vital about where I fit into this: I don’t. This is a bro space.

While the commenters on Facebook might be misinformed about fossil fuels and what’s used for what, they’re likely not policy makers. Homer Simpson had a line once where he said he was a white male from the age of 18-49 and everyone listened to him no matter how dumb his suggestions were. They’re who matters.

I hear you. I also enjoy your comments and insights. Sadly, I am also starting to get a little disenchanted as well. I may have to limit or quit my time on the forum. I come here to discuss and learn about Scout, but it invariably turns political and/or conspiratorial no matter the subject. There is enough of that EVERYWHERE these days. It was not always like this. I certainly do not have the bandwidth for it in my precious little free time. The Scout vehicle is already going to be a tough enough sell for me to my family due to several factors that some of you know. Especially since we all like my current vehicle so much. But, if this thing turns into a political statement/symbol, bro dozer, hardcore or go home vehicle, there is no way I will convert my reservation. I know I am free to come or go as I please. I just want share a growing sentiment.

 

[CarTechGeek]

Honestly, not sure if MANDATES are in the best interest of the industry in the long term.

What mandates?

What there actual was were incentives to help US EV car companies and infrastructure.

With incentives wiped out, that only makes it more difficult for US car companies to catch up.

 

[nolen]

I hear you. I also enjoy your comments and insights. Sadly, I am also starting to get a little disenchanted as well. I may have to limit or quit my time on the forum. I come here to discuss and learn about Scout, but it invariably turns political and/or conspiratorial no matter the subject. There is enough of that EVERYWHERE these days. It was not always like this. I certainly do not have the bandwidth for it in my precious little free time. The Scout vehicle is already going to be a tough enough sell for me to my family due to several factors that some of you know. Especially since we all like my current vehicle so much. But, if this thing turns into a political statement/symbol, bro dozer, hardcore or go home vehicle, there is no way I will convert my reservation. I know I am free to come or go as I please. I just want share a growing sentiment.

I hope you both stay but I definitely understand how you feel. It starts to feel a bit like I'm the enemy here after so many posts in a row of how the EPA is making people do this and that. I still love the car and if I can still afford it by the time it comes out I will be getting one. But I'm tired.