Assuming the president’s claim to abolish the 2032 zero emission EPA rule holds true, should we expect to see any changes in the long term plans of Scout Motors?
EV mandate reversal.
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EV mandate will be reversed today. Confirmed it will be on of the first executive orders.
If it delays Scout thats a shame on Scout Sorry.
If anything it will help them since Scout is all about bringing auto manufacturing back to the U.S.
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Let's wait to see what happens before drawing any conclusions.
Throughout automotive history, administrations have moved the ball on regulations back and forth and the automotive industry adapts. This is nothing new when you look at the big picture. Meanwhile technology keeps moving rapidly throughout the world. The U.S. has to be careful to not fall behind.
I'll also point out the potential for this topic to go off the rails into politics is high. I'll leave it open so long as it is constructive, but if it degrades into mudslinging we will have to close it.
Throughout automotive history, administrations have moved the ball on regulations back and forth and the automotive industry adapts. This is nothing new when you look at the big picture. Meanwhile technology keeps moving rapidly throughout the world. The U.S. has to be careful to not fall behind.
I'll also point out the potential for this topic to go off the rails into politics is high. I'll leave it open so long as it is constructive, but if it degrades into mudslinging we will have to close it.
Thanks for the post Jamie. I am excited for the journey ahead with Scout. We truly are years away from us being able to drive our Scouts out of the factory. I am choosing to focus and engage on fun topics like colors and features and Rallye stripes and options. I have faith in the team that has brought Scout back to life and am confident that Scout will deliver us amazing vehicles!
I’d suggest that most of the excitement over Scout wasn’t EPA driven. I’m sure the EPA mandates play a factor in the background, but I didn’t come here because of a 2032 mandate. I’m here because I’m excited to see the final product Scout gives us in 2027! I’m excited about how the Harvester will work! Maybe the 2032 mandate excites the folks on the Tesla forum?
There’s also going to be another presidential election before this date so depending on that, it could come back (if it does go away) or get a different date as well.
This is the biggest hurdle for auto manufacturers now and over the next 15 years.
Companies are planning for 10-20+ years out, not 4-8 years. It’s going to be a struggle for them to ping pong back and fourth their strategy based on political agendas.
I hope for the sake of innovation, economics, business and the environment the government get their act together and align on the future big picture…but I doubt it.
The US market isn’t ROW. As administrations and their policies wax and wane, incentives and subsidies will come and go. We bought a Tesla in 2020. And a Diesel. Because we bought the Tesla second hand, we didn’t get a dime of incentive money. I’m here for the BEV and maybe EREV versions of Scout, regardless of which way the breeze is blowing in Washington.
Personally I'm happy the mandate is gone.
2 reasons.
2 reasons.
- Our electric grid can't handle it. Look at Southern Cali this last summer. They couldn't handle the energy requirements as it is and asked people to not charge and all that or it else face blackouts.
- I want vehicle manufacturers to provide EV options because it makes sense, not because they have to.
The next round of fun will be the mid-term elections which may or may not move or stall whatever changes may or may not be headed our way. Still looking forward to the Scouts-great vehicles, great approach!
I could say that some things change, and some things stay the same. The things that change are the things that I wish stayed the same, and the things that stay the same are the things I wish changed..... but like you I will be positive and look foward to what Scout accomplishes.
The US is already falling behind in EV related technology and production, particularly wrt to batteries. We don't notice it because tariffs have made it competitively impossible for China to sell BEVs in the US but worldwide, they are crushing it. Depending on how this plays out this could set us back even further. I fear for not only new companies like Rivian, Lucid and Scout but perhaps even more so for Ford and GM.
The Dodge Charger is a perfect example of your second argument. Dodge is not an EV company. That car has been a complete and total disaster.
The bigger concern I have, similar to @dleepnw is the fall behind aspect. Even the luxury European manufacturers are learning quickly and can afford to do so. If we go backwards in the next 4 years I genuinely believe US manufacturing, in this field and transportation in general will lose to all the imports from Asia and Europe if there is a complete anti-EV movement at the federal level. The “green movement” mindset has to disappear and the technology advancement mindset has to be pushed and needs to include battery and chip advancements. Taking away the environmental outlook will allow all parties to come together and see the advancements. But if aging big oil is the only mentality than we will lose internationally and I fear the worst for the U.S. from a technology standpoint
I think having the big AI oriented guys close to the government (Elon, Mark, Google Ceo, Sam altman) which will help to regulate AI while making it smarter with out making it dangerous to humanity.
Will be huge asset to getting us back to being the big leading nation in technology. Since AI is said to become huge in Industry Breakthroughs in 2025-2026.
And besides AI we also have a bunch of companies here in the USA that are getting ready to start developing advanced AI quantum computing chips.
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I don’t quite know how to word this in a way guaranteed to get deleted, but I don’t think removing the environmental aspect is the right move. I think changing the way it’s presented and delivered is. It has to be personal. It has to make sense. I don’t know if it means Logan Paul has to ride in on an ATV and hurls his brother at you who is holding a banner with the pertinent facts and figures about global warming you hope to get across or what, but the messaging has to change. Instead of talking down, talk at? I don’t know.
Don’t get me wrong and maybe you used the correct word-‘presented’.I think all environmental elements are important for long term. I’m not going EV for nature though. I’m going for Scout but also ease of use/ maintenance, silence, charge at home and sick 0-60mph times. I think using nature and environment currently doesn’t work for many politicians. Using tech, made in America, staying ahead of our major competitors is something politicians seem to be willing to get behind.
Jump on Scout FB page and every other post is misquoting the gazillion fossil fuels used for EV. If the focus was stay ahead of China, crush buyer interest in BYD, and make desirable vehicle for good ‘ol’ USA the mindset might be easier to change.
Kind of amazing how politicized the topic has become. Living in CA, where weather related events are creating some pretty devastating consequences, the environmental angle is a pretty easy sell. In the rest of the country, it can be polarizing. The technology is advancing rapidly and it's important that we not fall behind in that game. There will be a sizable leap in performance/range that will, at some point, make EV's a bit more of a no brainer. I'd like to see this country make that leap. I'm also a pretty simple beast -- if you give me a great off roader that can double as a daily driver that's an EV with a gas generator to eliminate concerns around having to find a working charger on long trips, that's compelling. If I can slap a couple of solar panels on my roof to power my car, that's also a compelling argument. I have little doubt that CA will see $7 gas at some point again. I'd like to get ahead of that curve!
I'm reading a lot of we need to change the narrative. Maybe my anti big government is showing but I still don't think forced government push is the right step. There's always going to be a need for legacy ICE vehicles... For the forseeable future.
But we should be pushing our auto manufacturers towards BEV if that's what people really want. Let competition drive the progress. Also the needs of typical American driving differs vastly from those in other countries. It's not uncommon for me to drive across state lines during my son's hockey season on a weekend by weekend basis. My point being what's selling or working in Europe my not work well here.
Who knows, maybe SM cracked the nut and found the sweet spot with their Harvester that everyone is going to emulate. Pushing the technology further.
Without a mandate, assuming there was a kind of emissions level vehicles had to stay under (zero?), SM may have more options now as to the ICE engine used for the EREV; higher output engines.
I think I'm on a ramble at this point so will end it here. Just my thoughts.
But we should be pushing our auto manufacturers towards BEV if that's what people really want. Let competition drive the progress. Also the needs of typical American driving differs vastly from those in other countries. It's not uncommon for me to drive across state lines during my son's hockey season on a weekend by weekend basis. My point being what's selling or working in Europe my not work well here.
Who knows, maybe SM cracked the nut and found the sweet spot with their Harvester that everyone is going to emulate. Pushing the technology further.
Without a mandate, assuming there was a kind of emissions level vehicles had to stay under (zero?), SM may have more options now as to the ICE engine used for the EREV; higher output engines.
I think I'm on a ramble at this point so will end it here. Just my thoughts.
Honestly, not sure if MANDATES are in the best interest of the industry in the long term. Mandates may be cheered by some, but cause the others to virtually stop giving consideration to what they feel is being forced down their throat. Build a better product at a equal or better price - don't attack 1/2 the potential customer base - and learn to win on a level playing field.
In my life I have been told many things that the Science is settled on. Global warming, global cooling, global climate change - yet, at least in my memory - we have always had roughly the same weather, and it fluctuates every few years due to know weather patterns. All it has done to me is to make me extreamly skeptical that any mandate is actually in my best interest. Every one just seems to financially profit the backers. Follow the money seems to be far more accurate than "Science".
We are in a cold front right now - I am sure I could google and see someone posting how it is an example of either global cooling or global climate change. They will say this is the most extreme we have ever felt. Yet somehow I can easily recall 2 times in the 70's, 2 times in the 80's, a time in the 90's, the 2000's... Then they will say we are getting hotter, as it is not happening more often - and I can remember even more heat waves that were worse as well. But the internet is great - because you can say whatever you want to people who have not experienced the past and they will believe you.
I also remember almost 50 years of EV's. Why are they not more common now then - well to be honest, most were pretty awful. Now, finally, companies are starting to build a better product at least. If EV's need to tilt the playing field to be marketable - I guess they are not as good as I thought.
In my life I have been told many things that the Science is settled on. Global warming, global cooling, global climate change - yet, at least in my memory - we have always had roughly the same weather, and it fluctuates every few years due to know weather patterns. All it has done to me is to make me extreamly skeptical that any mandate is actually in my best interest. Every one just seems to financially profit the backers. Follow the money seems to be far more accurate than "Science".
We are in a cold front right now - I am sure I could google and see someone posting how it is an example of either global cooling or global climate change. They will say this is the most extreme we have ever felt. Yet somehow I can easily recall 2 times in the 70's, 2 times in the 80's, a time in the 90's, the 2000's... Then they will say we are getting hotter, as it is not happening more often - and I can remember even more heat waves that were worse as well. But the internet is great - because you can say whatever you want to people who have not experienced the past and they will believe you.
I also remember almost 50 years of EV's. Why are they not more common now then - well to be honest, most were pretty awful. Now, finally, companies are starting to build a better product at least. If EV's need to tilt the playing field to be marketable - I guess they are not as good as I thought.
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