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[Ecca]

I opted to sit in the A/C and watch stage 11 of the Tour de France then swam in pool for 3 hours. Similar concept in my mind. Both were roughly 100 miles and we were both drenched when we finished

Your way sounds like a much better plan for sure!

younger groups/millennials want everything that’s utility to be like a Swiss Army knife with lots of flexibility

Generally true, yeah. I don't know anyone who wants to own multiple vehicles, and I do know a bunch of people who want more fun in their daily driver and have no kids, so they're happy with fewer seats or tighter cabins if it means the car takes up less space and is easier to park. A peppy but simple hot hatch is the first choice for most people in my circle.

It looks like a lot of what you're talking about with the refusal of wagons/hatchbacks as loaners, or minivans being lame and preferring a larger SUV ends up being an emotional decision framed as a common sense justification. Don't think it is a "women" thing, though. Wagons and minivans are universally considered undesirable with rare exceptions that only apply to people in the know (like Polestar flavored Volvo V60, Autech flavored Stagea, or even the clownshoe), or people who simply don't care about those perceptions.

 

[J Alynn]

Your way sounds like a much better plan for sure!


Generally true, yeah. I don't know anyone who wants to own multiple vehicles, and I do know a bunch of people who want more fun in their daily driver and have no kids, so they're happy with fewer seats or tighter cabins if it means the car takes up less space and is easier to park. A peppy but simple hot hatch is the first choice for most people in my circle.

It looks like a lot of what you're talking about with the refusal of wagons/hatchbacks as loaners, or minivans being lame and preferring a larger SUV ends up being an emotional decision framed as a common sense justification. Don't think it is a "women" thing, though. Wagons and minivans are universally considered undesirable with rare exceptions that only apply to people in the know (like Polestar flavored Volvo V60, Autech flavored Stagea, or even the clownshoe), or people who simply don't care about those perceptions.

Fair enough and yes-Volvo may be the forefront of great looking sport wagons. Perhaps minivans are just a utilitarian vehicle that solve multiple needs for people strictly concerned with function and not form. I offer the Nissan Quest-Vader’s hearse as I called them as exhibit A

 

[OleScout]

Not a competitor but an EV I just saw in the flesh was a new Dodge Daytona R/T, looks incredible in person. If I was in the market for an EV sports car or flexing my inner mid life crisis, this may be the one.

 

[J Alynn]

Not a competitor but an EV I just saw in the flesh was a new Dodge Daytona R/T, looks incredible in person. If I was in the market for an EV sports car or flexing my inner mid life crisis, this may be the one.

It’s funny. I’ve never been a muscle car genre kind of guy but I’ve been following the charger Daytona as well and it really is a beautiful vehicle. I feel they took same approach as SM with evolution design vs retro design. That said, all the Mopar hoards are still hating on it because it’s EV. Too many people simply fear change