1,000+ reservations take rate stats: Harvester vs. Full-EV and Traveler vs. Terra

[LastDayScout]

So VW money, engineers, parts and components. That may make keeping it away VW dealers difficult.

I suspect there will be some tough discussions.

 

[J Alynn]

So VW money, engineers, parts and components. That may make keeping it away VW dealers difficult.

It’s a business deal to buy parts. Separate entities. So long as an arm’s length transaction it’s no different than manufacturers buying Takata airbags. Just sourcing from a supplier (semantics)

 

[JoeG]

It’s a business deal to buy parts. Separate entities. So long as an arm’s length transaction it’s no different than manufacturers buying Takata airbags. Just sourcing from a supplier (semantics)

I've never read about it being a business deal to buy parts, but that would be a helpful arms length relationship in terms of fighting off a VW dealership sales model. Do you remember where you read about it being a business deal for VW parts?

 

[J Alynn]

I've never read about it being a business deal to buy parts, but that would be a helpful arms length relationship in terms of fighting off a VW dealership sales model. Do you remember where you read about it being a business deal for VW parts?

I didn’t read it. I’m just saying it’s no different than that with the exception that vw is a little deeper in but I would be shocked if their legal team didn’t have this thoroughly reviewed and bullet proof before they announced it to the entire country. Sure they’ll battle but this size business announcing it -they have to believe they are covered!

 

[JoeG]

I didn’t read it. I’m just saying it’s no different than that with the exception that vw is a little deeper in but I would be shocked if their legal team didn’t have this thoroughly reviewed and bullet proof before they announced it to the entire country. Sure they’ll battle but this size business announcing it -they have to believe they are covered!

I don't think we can assume it's an arms length relationship then. And ultimately if it goes to the courts, it won't be Scout's legal team who's deciding, but a judge. I hope it never advances to litigation, but VW dealerships (who aren't doing too well based on sales numbers) may be desperate to get their claws into future Scout business.

 

[CarTechGeek]

I don't think we can assume it's an arms length relationship then. And ultimately if it goes to the courts, it won't be Scout's legal team who's deciding, but a judge. I hope it never advances to litigation, but VW dealerships (who aren't doing too well based on sales numbers) may be desperate to get their claws into future Scout business.

Dealer Associates Fought Tesla in just about every state, and there wasn't even a previous company with any kind of dealer relationship, that could be tied to Tesla.

IMO, there is no way this doesn't go to litigation...

 

[J Alynn]

Dealer Associates Fought Tesla in just about every state, and there wasn't even a previous company with any kind of dealer relationship, that could be tied to Tesla.

IMO, there is no way this doesn't go to litigation...

Oh-it will go. I’m just saying SM wouldn’t have announced it if they didn’t feel they were covered. Doesn’t hurt that the VW dealers weren’t wanting to deal with EV sales until they realized the opportunity SM offers them. Again-I strongly despise dealerships

 

[KarlT]

Oh-it will go. I’m just saying SM wouldn’t have announced it if they didn’t feel they were covered. Doesn’t hurt that the VW dealers weren’t wanting to deal with EV sales until they realized the opportunity SM offers them. Again-I strongly despise dealerships

C’mon, what’s not to love about a place who’s only interested in taking as much of your money as possible?

 

[Moates442]

I’m not surprised by the Harvester take rate. But, I would bet that many of the people who get it and live with it for a while will think/wish they just got the EV. There are many use cases for the Harvester especially if the charging infrastructure is not good for a given area of travel. But, most will find that they charge at home and rarely need the Harvester. In addition, the Harvester will need oil changes and filters that the battery never will… PITA stuff associated with ICE. I’m in no way knocking the decision to order a Harvester. I ordered it for a Terra for my business, but full EV on the Traveler for me. I am curious though how many of that 80% chose it as a security blanket/parachute versus actually needing it.

I don't think that at all. Personally speaking (and maybe are these other people who reserved this model) I can tell you what I need.

My current 2004 Nissan Titan has taken myself and my 2 boys all over the Western U.S. Camping, fishing, dirt bike riding, road trips, vacations, family events, etc. I do not go to places that have electrical hook ups. In fact, if all it has is a pit toilet, I'm in. Often, I'm in very remote places, and we are living on what we packed in and the Jerry Cans of fuel to keep riding the dirt bikes.

I for one, have no desire to be "tethered" by having to charge my vehicle when I'm out in remote places, or by the routes I'm traveling.

This is why I want the Gas Engine Generator.

Oil and filter changes are a PITA? Say's who? It's easy basic maintenance. I like working on my vehicles. I understand that some don't, but I think that there are many people like me that chose the generator for something similar. It's also part of Scout making vehicle maintenance easy. It's part of the culture of the vehicle.

Finally, my decision is based on the above. I am not looking for a security blanket/parachute. I'm looking for something that can replace my trucks versatility. And I need it the generator for that use. I'm not dinging those who don't need that. But I have also seen the lines at the charging stations during the holidays, and I like to have the option to avoid that. Not to mention for the absolute reasons I stated above.

Just my 2 cents......

 

[LastDayScout]

I don't think that at all. Personally speaking (and maybe are these other people who reserved this model) I can tell you what I need.

My current 2004 Nissan Titan has taken myself and my 2 boys all over the Western U.S. Camping, fishing, dirt bike riding, road trips, vacations, family events, etc. I do not go to places that have electrical hook ups. In fact, if all it has is a pit toilet, I'm in. Often, I'm in very remote places, and we are living on what we packed in and the Jerry Cans of fuel to keep riding the dirt bikes.

I for one, have no desire to be "tethered" by having to charge my vehicle when I'm out in remote places, or by the routes I'm traveling.

This is why I want the Gas Engine Generator.

Oil and filter changes are a PITA? Say's who? It's easy basic maintenance. I like working on my vehicles. I understand that some don't, but I think that there are many people like me that chose the generator for something similar. It's also part of Scout making vehicle maintenance easy. It's part of the culture of the vehicle.

Finally, my decision is based on the above. I am not looking for a security blanket/parachute. I'm looking for something that can replace my trucks versatility. And I need it the generator for that use. I'm not dinging those who don't need that. But I have also seen the lines at the charging stations during the holidays, and I like to have the option to avoid that. Not to mention for the absolute reasons I stated above.

Just my 2 cents......

Good response and a valuable difference of opinion. I too enjoy working on my old Jeeps and BMWs. But, for me that is fun, nostalgic stuff. Once I got into EVs and started realizing the value of the downtime spent on servicing a daily driver the difference is staggering. It sounds like yours is one of the use cases makes sense for the Harvester. I am glad Scout offered it because it is bringing more people into the Scout Community. I still bet you're going to like the EV part more than the gas!

 

[Dunphyjp]

I work for BMW myself… I’ve driven every kind of EV traded in here… as well as a long weekend with a Rivian R1T, at the end of the day, it wouldn’t get done what i needed it to so i stuck with BMW’s i4 and now with 3 kids went to the Ford Maverick Hybrid… truck makes more sense for me personally, and iv’e taken EVERY car i own off road (my Rally MINI Cooper S was a big local favorite) Overall I’m looking forward to the 800V architecture, 350kW charging and harvester trim because my previous off roading involved sitting around for 4 days charging on a solar setup and a Goal Zero Yeti Pro 4000 to charge my car for the way back… having the ability to put a true overlander setup and a couple jerrycans just takes this whole thing to the next level for me and my family

 

[Moates442]

Good response and a valuable difference of opinion. I too enjoy working on my old Jeeps and BMWs. But, for me that is fun, nostalgic stuff. Once I got into EVs and started realizing the value of the downtime spent on servicing a daily driver the difference is staggering. It sounds like yours is one of the use cases makes sense for the Harvester. I am glad Scout offered it because it is bringing more people into the Scout Community. I still bet you're going to like the EV part more than the gas!

We shall see. However, I don't spend that much time servicing my vehicles. And that includes my two street motorcycles, the dirt bikes, my Nissan Titan and the beater Mercury Sable that refuses to die, and my 68 Camaro which I drive weekly. I probably spend more time detailing my vehicles than servicing them.

 

[LastDayScout]

We shall see. However, I don't spend that much time servicing my vehicles. And that includes my two street motorcycles, the dirt bikes, my Nissan Titan and the beater Mercury Sable that refuses to die, and my 68 Camaro which I drive weekly. I probably spend more time detailing my vehicles than servicing them.

I learned to ride on a Honda z50R. It’s now retired and restored in my office at work.

 

[LastDayScout]

Brings up interesting question whether the Harvester will experience more issues than the full-EV due to its gas engine and related parts. It's likely, just hope it's not much more issues. That's one of the things I'm glad to be ditching an ICE car for.

My opinion and and guess is yes. With the added complexity and heating and cooling cycles, more fluids,etc. I’m sure it will have more issues than the BEV. The engine itself will probably be pretty reliable because it should mainly run at a constant speed for efficiency. That’s a good thing for long term durability.

 

[JoeG]

My opinion and and guess is yes. With the added complexity and heating and cooling cycles, more fluids,etc. I’m sure it will have more issues than the BEV. The engine itself will probably be pretty reliable because it should mainly run at a constant speed for efficiency. That’s a good thing for long term durability.

Not to mention the extra maintenance per usual with ICE engines (oil changes, filters, etc.) But I guess that's the tradeoff for flexibility and extra range.

This also means that the Scout service center techs will be unique compared to ground up EV companies (Tesla, Rivian) in that they'll have to know and perform service/repairs on both EV components and traditional ICE engine related parts. Hope they're not jack of trades, masters of none

 

[Hoya Saxa]

Seems like a fair amount discussion of what is “needed” in these vehicles. Do people see this as a needed vehicle, i.e. a work truck that must be an EV? I will likely drive this to/from work, but i could just as easily but an ICE Hyundai for a lot less.

At the estimated prices, this is a want vehicle for most I bet.

 

[aggiegrad05]

I don't think that at all. Personally speaking (and maybe are these other people who reserved this model) I can tell you what I need.

My current 2004 Nissan Titan has taken myself and my 2 boys all over the Western U.S. Camping, fishing, dirt bike riding, road trips, vacations, family events, etc. I do not go to places that have electrical hook ups. In fact, if all it has is a pit toilet, I'm in. Often, I'm in very remote places, and we are living on what we packed in and the Jerry Cans of fuel to keep riding the dirt bikes.

I for one, have no desire to be "tethered" by having to charge my vehicle when I'm out in remote places, or by the routes I'm traveling.

This is why I want the Gas Engine Generator.

Oil and filter changes are a PITA? Say's who? It's easy basic maintenance. I like working on my vehicles. I understand that some don't, but I think that there are many people like me that chose the generator for something similar. It's also part of Scout making vehicle maintenance easy. It's part of the culture of the vehicle.

Finally, my decision is based on the above. I am not looking for a security blanket/parachute. I'm looking for something that can replace my trucks versatility. And I need it the generator for that use. I'm not dinging those who don't need that. But I have also seen the lines at the charging stations during the holidays, and I like to have the option to avoid that. Not to mention for the absolute reasons I stated above.

Just my 2 cents......

(New here...reservation for a Traveler+Harvester...hi!)

This sums up my circumstances well. I have a 4th Gen Expedition with 90k miles and road trip often with two younger kids. We also do a fair bit of camping and I just don't see how a pure EV would handle a 300 mile drive to a campsite, then a 4-day sit at the camp with doors opening and closing all the time (with dome lights coming on), then a 300 mile return trip.

I understand charging tech and infrastructure have come a long way, and will come even further by the time these vehicles come out. But with two kids and dogs, I don't want the hassle of having to worry about where the next charger is going to be and is it the right kind of charger and will it be working and how long will it take to charge and and and.

I believe we will eventually get to a place where chargers will be as ubiquitous as gas stations, but it won't be in the next 10 years. I like the knowledge that I can load the car and just go and not worry about how I'm going to get there.

 

[TRONZ]

At best an engine and part of a battery are equal but there is more to it. The electrical engineering and hardware intigration of onboard ICE, generator and charging system will not be minimal.

The EV to Harvester ratio is not that surprising to me. The first movers here are legacy Scout fans. My friends that drive EV’s don’t even know what Scout is. Kind of getting tired explaining it to them.

 

[LastDayScout]

It’s going to be interesting to see what sort of marketing Scout is going to come up with to reach the vast number of potential customers that have no idea what Scout is. Sounds like they need to get on that sooner rather than later.

 

[Harris005]

At best an engine and part of a battery are equal but there is more to it. The electrical engineering and hardware intigration of onboard ICE, generator and charging system will not be minimal.

The EV to Harvester ratio is not that surprising to me. The first movers here are legacy Scout fans. My friends that drive EV’s don’t even know what Scout is. Kind of getting tired explaining it to them.

Just ask them if they know what a Bronco is, then let them know the Scout came first