1,000+ reservations take rate stats: Harvester vs. Full-EV and Traveler vs. Terra

[JoeG]

Interesting crowdsourced look at reservation stats from 1,000+ voluntarily submitted reservations. The Harvester is blowing away the full-EV at 81.8% take rate. That's shocking to me. And I'd thought there'd be a higher Terra % so far.

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[CarTechGeek]

Interesting crowdsourced look at reservation stats from 1,000+ voluntarily submitted reservations. The Harvester is blowing away the full-EV at 81.8% take rate. That's shocking to me. And I'd thought there'd be a higher Terra % so far.

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I'm not surprised by the high Harvester take rate. It's the main differentiator.

I'm not surprised more are choosing the SUV body.

For Terra, instead of Waiting 2+ years for an EV pickup from a new company, you could just buy the Ford Lightning today, which is essentially the same thing. And even for the Harvester Pickup, Ram has Ramcharger coming out next year.

 

[JoeG]

It'll be intresting to see how these stats change when pricing is released. It's easy to say now I want Harvester bc who wouldn't want more potential range over less range, but how much are willing to pay for it remains to be seen.

How much more are you guys willing to pay for Harvester?? I'd pay up to $3k more.

 

[Callsign_DISCO]

I'm expecting $3K-$5K - and am OK with that depending on where final pricing ends up for the decked out offroad capable version.

 

[CarTechGeek]

It'll be intresting to see how these stats change when pricing is released. It's easy to say now I want Harvester bc who wouldn't want more potential range over less range, but how much are willing to pay for it remains to be seen.

How much more are you guys willing to pay for Harvester?? I'd pay up to $3k more.

It will be less expensive than the pure EV with 350 miles of range. They are going to save more than enough money on the reduced battery, to pass some of that savings on to customers.

 

[shnngns]

It will be less expensive than the pure EV with 350 miles of range. They are going to save more than enough money on the reduced battery, to pass some of that savings on to customers.

I cautiously stand in this camp. That it will cost less to produce and they hopefully pass on those savings to the customer.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

It will be less expensive than the pure EV with 350 miles of range. They are going to save more than enough money on the reduced battery, to pass some of that savings on to customers.

Agreed, seems logical for it to be less not more. Batteries are expensive and I would expect Scout Motors to pass savings on to the customer.

 

[LastDayScout]

I’m not surprised by the Harvester take rate. But, I would bet that many of the people who get it and live with it for a while will think/wish they just got the EV. There are many use cases for the Harvester especially if the charging infrastructure is not good for a given area of travel. But, most will find that they charge at home and rarely need the Harvester. In addition, the Harvester will need oil changes and filters that the battery never will… PITA stuff associated with ICE. I’m in no way knocking the decision to order a Harvester. I ordered it for a Terra for my business, but full EV on the Traveler for me. I am curious though how many of that 80% chose it as a security blanket/parachute versus actually needing it.

 

[LastDayScout]

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Agreed, seems logical for it to be less not more. Batteries are expensive and I would expect Scout Motors to pass savings on to the customer.

It would be interesting to see by the time these actually launch if the price becomes equal. I remember the Ford Fusion was the same price for hybrid as full ICE at one time.

 

[JoeG]

It will be less expensive than the pure EV with 350 miles of range. They are going to save more than enough money on the reduced battery, to pass some of that savings on to customers.

Hope you're right. If that's the case then the Harvester take rate may increase even higher. But Scout is still a for-profit company and hoping to go public at some point, and passing savings onto customers is against that goal. If Harvester is marketed and perceived as a premium / upgrade model, then charging more for it is hard to resist.

 

[Garbone]

I’m not surprised by the Harvester take rate. But, I would bet that many of the people who get it and live with it for a while will think/wish they just got the EV. There are many use cases for the Harvester especially if the charging infrastructure is not good for a given area of travel. But, most will find that they charge at home and rarely need the Harvester. In addition, the Harvester will need oil changes and filters that the battery never will… PITA stuff associated with ICE. I’m in no way knocking the decision to order a Harvester. I ordered it for a Terra for my business, but full EV on the Traveler for me. I am curious though how many of that 80% chose it as a security blanket/parachute versus actually needing it.

Agree, I see little need for it. In a decade or so there will be a bunch of cheap low range used EVs for sale with a auxiliary generator that cost more to fix than it is worth. Just my opinion, I can see a very low percentage were a Harvester would be useful.

Have to say range for towing will be a minimal benefit as a motor strong enough to keep up with 2x the load will be offset by smaller pack size. I could see 15 or 20% better range for a harvester over a battery rig towing. Not worth the hassle IMO due to increase fueling cost. Want to really tow go diesel.

Just my opinion.

 

[CarTechGeek]

Agree, I see little need for it. In a decade or so there will be a bunch of cheap low range used EVs for sale with a auxiliary generator that cost more to fix than it is worth. Just my opinion, I can see a very low percentage were a Harvester would be useful.

I wouldn't want to own any PHEV/EREV out of warranty.

 

[chucchinchilla]

I wouldn't want to own any PHEV/EREV out of warranty.

I'm in California (aka CARB state) where PHEVs are legally required to have a 15 year/150K warranty so on the contrary, I could say I want the PHEV because of the warranty.

 

[CarTechGeek]

I'm in California (aka CARB state) where PHEVs are legally required to have a 15 year/150K warranty so on the contrary, I could say I want the PHEV because of the warranty.

I said I wouldn't want to own it "out of warranty", which means after the warranty expires. So the length of warranty doesn't change my statement.

Plus I think you will find that 15 year only covers emission components on PZEVs (not PHEVs), like catalytic converters, and even on PZEV it's not 15 years on the battery:

California Vehicle and Emissions Warranty Periods | California Air Resources Board

1990 and Newer Model Passenger Cars, Light Duty Trucks, Medium-Duty Vehicles, and Medium Duty Engines Applies to passenger cars, light duty trucks, and medium- duty vehicles with a GVWR between 8,501 and 14,000 pounds

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15 years/ 150k miles (except battery)

10 years/ 150k miles battery or other energy storage device

Cars and Light-Trucks are Going Zero - Frequently Asked Questions | California Air Resources Board

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Is there usually a warranty on the battery when I buy a new zero emission vehicle?​

Yes. All automakers include a warranty on the battery, and most have at a minimum an 8-year/100,000-mile battery warranty. The battery warranty is not required by regulation currently; however, the Advanced Clean Cars II regulations do include provisions to require automakers to include a minimum warranty on the battery of 8-years/100,000 miles. There will also be durability requirements on electric vehicles that protect the secondary market for these cars.

 

[chucchinchilla]

I said I wouldn't want to own it "out of warranty", which means after the warranty expires. So the length of warranty doesn't change my statement.

Plus I think you will find that 15 year only covers emission components on PZEVs (not PHEVs), like catalytic converters, and even on PZEV it's not 15 years on the battery:

California Vehicle and Emissions Warranty Periods | California Air Resources Board

1990 and Newer Model Passenger Cars, Light Duty Trucks, Medium-Duty Vehicles, and Medium Duty Engines Applies to passenger cars, light duty trucks, and medium- duty vehicles with a GVWR between 8,501 and 14,000 pounds

ww2.arb.ca.gov

Cars and Light-Trucks are Going Zero - Frequently Asked Questions | California Air Resources Board

Visit the Advanced Clean Cars II web site for more information on the regulations.

ww2.arb.ca.gov

What I'm saying is if you're in CA or most CARB states, by the time the warranty runs out you're probably changing vehicles anyway so it's a moot point. I didn't want to get into the nuances of the warranty but since you did...

Yes the battery warranty is 10yr/150k which is still amazing. As for it only covering "emissions components like catalytic converters" that's not true. Complements to David Tracy who made me aware of this via this article, here's an example of what's covered on a BMW i3 REX. As you'll see it's a LOT more than just the cats including the gas engine itself. Note this is PZEV warranty coverage, ZEV is different.

 

[Logan]

I'm not really surprised by the take rates TBH.

As others have said, I think its primarily because the Harvester is the differentiator in the SUV body style.

For Trucks, there are already a lot of EV trucks. And the Ramcharger will be out before the Terra.

I'm curious when we'll see Scout release official reservation details.

 

[dleepnw]

no surprise on SUV > Truck
am surprised about Harvester but that tells you where charging infrastructure and battery tech is or at least the perceived negative notions about them. for 80-90% of folks for 95% of the time, charging and range is not going to be an issue even with an all electric vehicle that does 350 miles. it only really makes a difference on long road trips, overlanding, and use cases where chargers are not readily available.

 

[CarTechGeek]

What I'm saying is if you're in CA or most CARB states, by the time the warranty runs out you're probably changing vehicles anyway so it's a moot point. I didn't want to get into the nuances of the warranty but since you did

It's more complicated than that outside of CA. The same car can be ULEV certified to avoid the extended warranty. So PHEV does NOT equal PZEZ and the extended warranty.

Qualifying for the 15yr/150,000 Mile Warranty...

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[Scoutsie]

It'll be intresting to see how these stats change when pricing is released. It's easy to say now I want Harvester bc who wouldn't want more potential range over less range, but how much are willing to pay for it remains to be seen.

How much more are you guys willing to pay for Harvester?? I'd pay up to $3k more.

I feel like I’ll know when I know. $3000 seems very reasonable. If it’s something like $8000 then the Harvester is not for me and I will just have to opt for a less convenient, EV-only life of risk-taking for my long drives from Boston to Pittsburgh and whatnot. SIIIIGH

 

[Logan]

I'd be very, very surprised if the Harvester is more expensive than the largest battery BEV version.

TBH I'm expecting the Harvester to be the cheapest, as it has the smallest batteries, by a significant margin (and gas engines are comparatively cheap). The 150 mile EV range means that Harvesters battery is likely ~100kw smaller than the 350 mile BEV version. And while I'm assuming there will be a BEV version with a smaller battery, I don't see them offering less than ~250 miles or so of range, which would still be a ~50kw or so larger battery than the Harvester.