Please, No Free Fast Charging Credits

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A common thing companies seem to be doing with new EVs has been to give free fast charging credits on one network or another along with the purchase of a new vehicle.

Please Scout, don't do this!

As a long time EV driver I have some insight as to why this is a terrible practice that should be stopped. What companies should do instead is give credit towards a home level 2 charger or Scout merch (if someone already has a level 2 charger).

Giving away fast charger credits inevitably leads to a bad EV experience. Firstly, the need for DC fast charging for most EV drivers is pretty rare, usually only a handful of time per year when they go on road trips so giving away fast charge credits isn't super useful to most people. The vast majority of charging is done at home on a level 2 charger and is a far superior experience, especially for new EV owners. They can wake up every day with a "full tank", it usually costs almost nothing in electricity, is super convenient, and overall makes owning an EV generally awesome.

Second, free fast charge credits promotes abuse of fast chargers. There have been many times where I rock up to a fast charger only to find some Porsche or ID4 owner sitting there charging to 100% "because it's free" even though they live locally to the charger. It makes it a bad experience for other EV drivers.

Another issue is that because fast chargers are owned by a third party, the experience can be a crapshoot especially for those new to EVs. Tesla gets away with giving out fast charging credits because it owns the charging network and infrastructure and has made the experience pretty foolproof. But other car makers including Scout must rely on third party public charging companies and most non-Tesla charging companies have a pretty inconsistent experience, espeically if the car company in question partnered with one of the less reliable networks like Electrify America. Having a new EV owner roll up to a local fast charger "because charging will be free" only to find one or more of the few stalls out of service and the others busy with people doing actual long distance trips isn't exactly the best experience for someone new to EVs.

Fast chargers are for long distance travel and it's no secret that charging infrastructure has quite a bit of room for improvement. Promoting abuse of those chargers to new EV owners won't help those owners have a great experience. At best it will be an "okay, cool. That's how fast chargers work."-type experiece. At worst it can have them so frustrated they tell their friends not to buy the product.

A must more productive and useful experience is to help them get a home charger installed. Make it super easy like Ford is currently doing with its charger. And for those who already have an EV charger (like me) maybe offer a similar value gift card for Scout aftermarket equipement or something.

Those are just my thoughts.
 
A common thing companies seem to be doing with new EVs has been to give free fast charging credits on one network or another along with the purchase of a new vehicle.

Please Scout, don't do this!

As a long time EV driver I have some insight as to why this is a terrible practice that should be stopped. What companies should do instead is give credit towards a home level 2 charger or Scout merch (if someone already has a level 2 charger).

Giving away fast charger credits inevitably leads to a bad EV experience. Firstly, the need for DC fast charging for most EV drivers is pretty rare, usually only a handful of time per year when they go on road trips so giving away fast charge credits isn't super useful to most people. The vast majority of charging is done at home on a level 2 charger and is a far superior experience, especially for new EV owners. They can wake up every day with a "full tank", it usually costs almost nothing in electricity, is super convenient, and overall makes owning an EV generally awesome.

Second, free fast charge credits promotes abuse of fast chargers. There have been many times where I rock up to a fast charger only to find some Porsche or ID4 owner sitting there charging to 100% "because it's free" even though they live locally to the charger. It makes it a bad experience for other EV drivers.

Another issue is that because fast chargers are owned by a third party, the experience can be a crapshoot especially for those new to EVs. Tesla gets away with giving out fast charging credits because it owns the charging network and infrastructure and has made the experience pretty foolproof. But other car makers including Scout must rely on third party public charging companies and most non-Tesla charging companies have a pretty inconsistent experience, espeically if the car company in question partnered with one of the less reliable networks like Electrify America. Having a new EV owner roll up to a local fast charger "because charging will be free" only to find one or more of the few stalls out of service and the others busy with people doing actual long distance trips isn't exactly the best experience for someone new to EVs.

Fast chargers are for long distance travel and it's no secret that charging infrastructure has quite a bit of room for improvement. Promoting abuse of those chargers to new EV owners won't help those owners have a great experience. At best it will be an "okay, cool. That's how fast chargers work."-type experiece. At worst it can have them so frustrated they tell their friends not to buy the product.

A must more productive and useful experience is to help them get a home charger installed. Make it super easy like Ford is currently doing with its charger. And for those who already have an EV charger (like me) maybe offer a similar value gift card for Scout aftermarket equipement or something.

Those are just my thoughts.
This is 100% spot on. I completely agree. I’ve owned three EVs over the past six years and have used DC fast charging no more than a dozen times. I use level 2 charging daily.
 
So I shouldn’t expect fast charging credits, a home charger, AND tons of Scout merch???

I’d like all three lol!

Ford bent over backwards for early reservations of the Bronco, all sorts of goodies, including over $1k of accessory cash, discounts on price, some actually nice/useful swag in the mail, discounted special events like the Off Roadeo . . . maybe I’m a little spoiled with vehicle launches based on that experience, but I kinda expect charging credits, a home charger AND cool merch AND more!
 
I got a bunch of free merchandise with the first 1000 Solstice I actually did not buy
 
It does seem that there are greenhorns / new EV owners at DCFC locations that want to charge to 100% from time to time... You don't always know why, and while it is their right to do so, they often times don't realize that charging to 100% is something that SHOULD rarely occur, simply based on charging curves and the slower charge times to hit 100%. In most cases, it's usually best to charge up to 80% then un-plug and be on your way. There have been rare occasions where I have charged beyond 80% at a DCFC, however that was usually driven by going to a destination that required additional juice to reach the destination, or needing enough juice to get back to that same DCFC in cold temps on my return. The only time I really charge to 100% is on my home charger when preparing for a longer road-trip.

When at home and for daily usage, I never charge beyond 70%... That is still providing you with a SHIT TON of range based on ~300 miles at 100%. So for me, "waking up with a full tank" is the equivalent of sitting at 70% SOC.
 
It does seem that there are greenhorns / new EV owners at DCFC locations that want to charge to 100% from time to time... You don't always know why, and while it is their right to do so, they often times don't realize that charging to 100% is something that SHOULD rarely occur, simply based on charging curves and the slower charge times to hit 100%. In most cases, it's usually best to charge up to 80% then un-plug and be on your way. There have been rare occasions where I have charged beyond 80% at a DCFC, however that was usually driven by going to a destination that required additional juice to reach the destination, or needing enough juice to get back to that same DCFC in cold temps on my return. The only time I really charge to 100% is on my home charger when preparing for a longer road-trip.

When at home and for daily usage, I never charge beyond 70%... That is still providing you with a SHIT TON of range based on ~300 miles at 100%. So for me, "waking up with a full tank" is the equivalent of sitting at 70% SOC.
Yep, again this is 100% accurate. Although, I have my charge limit set to 80%. I can't stand seeing Chevy Bolts parked in the 350kw DCFC. Great car, but completely not necessary to use the highest speed chargers when there are 150kw available.
 
It does seem that there are greenhorns / new EV owners at DCFC locations that want to charge to 100% from time to time... You don't always know why, and while it is their right to do so, they often times don't realize that charging to 100% is something that SHOULD rarely occur, simply based on charging curves and the slower charge times to hit 100%. In most cases, it's usually best to charge up to 80% then un-plug and be on your way. There have been rare occasions where I have charged beyond 80% at a DCFC, however that was usually driven by going to a destination that required additional juice to reach the destination, or needing enough juice to get back to that same DCFC in cold temps on my return. The only time I really charge to 100% is on my home charger when preparing for a longer road-trip.

When at home and for daily usage, I never charge beyond 70%... That is still providing you with a SHIT TON of range based on ~300 miles at 100%. So for me, "waking up with a full tank" is the equivalent of sitting at 70% SOC.
I was just using new EV owner/100% thing as an example. My main point was that giving away free DCFC charging to new EVs typically leads to bad experiences for the owners and those around them. If freebies are to be given away, they should enhance the EV experience and not detract from it and since most charging is done at home providing help getting a level 2 installed is probably the best way to facilitate that.

For those who already have a level 2 or who are unable to install a level 2 for whatever reason, some comparable benefit (like merch, free upgrades?) should be given as an alternative.
 
Yep, again this is 100% accurate. Although, I have my charge limit set to 80%. I can't stand seeing Chevy Bolts parked in the 350kw DCFC. Great car, but completely not necessary to use the highest speed chargers when there are 150kw available.
Some basic EV education for new owners would definitely go a long way...especially for GM vehicles lol
 
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I have a L2 charger at home. I never charge outside the home, but if you do offer free charging credits, ensure they are on some kind of brand-agnostic account so I can use them anywhere, and they should never expire.
 
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Last fall I was driving from Tennessee to Florida thru Columbia SC. I will be damned if the Columbia Electrify America had only one working charger stall and 5 cars (3 being local plates) waiting to use them. My guess is those 3 had free credits and would sit there until they hit 100%. I said screw it and got a hotel with a level 2 and went out for a steak dinner.

Gifted free charging contributed to my choice that when I had to go from Florida to Ohio in 36 hours for a funeral I rented a gas car. Just could not risk running into a pack of free charger people or Chevy Bolts.

Sure things are getting better but just do not want to be that guy...
 
Last fall I was driving from Tennessee to Florida thru Columbia SC. I will be damned if the Columbia Electrify America had only one working charger stall and 5 cars (3 being local plates) waiting to use them. My guess is those 3 had free credits and would sit there until they hit 100%. I said screw it and got a hotel with a level 2 and went out for a steak dinner.

Gifted free charging contributed to my choice that when I had to go from Florida to Ohio in 36 hours for a funeral I rented a gas car. Just could not risk running into a pack of free charger people or Chevy Bolts.

Sure things are getting better but just do not want to be that guy...
This is why I’m all in on the Harvester. I’ll be all electric around town and never worry about finding/using a charger away from home. Public charging usually costs more than gas too. So glad there’s a generator option.
 
It may be a bad idea for congestion, but VW also owns EA, so I’d guess they’re going to slip some free EA credits in there.
 
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Public charging does not "usually cost more than gas" if you have accounts set up. That is simply not true.
I will second that. I have never had a fast charge session cost anywhere near what a 3/4 or full gas fill up would be. Although I have heard some outrageous costs in California. I have never driven anything in California so I can not personally attest.
 
I amend my above statement about cost. I have never used a level 3 charger. My experience with level 2 public charging is that unless it is free, every charger I have ever seen costs much more than gas for an equivalent # of miles in my vehicle.
 
It does seem that there are greenhorns / new EV owners at DCFC locations that want to charge to 100% from time to time... You don't always know why, and while it is their right to do so, they often times don't realize that charging to 100% is something that SHOULD rarely occur, simply based on charging curves and the slower charge times to hit 100%. In most cases, it's usually best to charge up to 80% then un-plug and be on your way. There have been rare occasions where I have charged beyond 80% at a DCFC, however that was usually driven by going to a destination that required additional juice to reach the destination, or needing enough juice to get back to that same DCFC in cold temps on my return. The only time I really charge to 100% is on my home charger when preparing for a longer road-trip.

When at home and for daily usage, I never charge beyond 70%... That is still providing you with a SHIT TON of range based on ~300 miles at 100%. So for me, "waking up with a full tank" is the equivalent of sitting at 70% SOC.

I’m new to EV’s and charging them & trying to learn

Almost monthly we make a 160 mile drive, then 20 ish city miles and then around 160 miles more coming home & traffic can be a pain. My problem is I don’t want to sit at a charging station for hours, that’s for the birds….
 
I’m new to EV’s and charging them & trying to learn

Almost monthly we make a 160 mile drive, then 20 ish city miles and then around 160 miles more coming home & traffic can be a pain. My problem is I don’t want to sit at a charging station for hours, that’s for the birds….
Are there and level two chargers in the city where you go? There probably are. Otherwise you will have to make one charge stop. Based on the hardware Scout is using your stop time will be in the 10s of minutes, not hours. Or, get the Harvester package and don’t worry about it.