Head light and tailight

[GotScout]

Here are the Holley RetroBrights. I am an absolute NOT LED headlight fan... BUT... the warm ones in the middle, would be passable.
(The CLASSIC @ 3000°K)

 

[GotScout]

And special note... headlights in GLASS... not plastic!!!

 

[J Alynn]

And special note... headlights in GLASS... not plastic!!!

If you look back early on in the design portions of the forum you’ll see a number of similar suggestions in the headlight. We also made suggestions of a controllable LED that could be warm (3000k) or like a (4500k) for the bluer white light to appeal to all buyers. I’m 100% onboard with a 3000k color as well but a controllable LED would allow those who love vintage or modern to both be happy. That said the round LED would probably still need to be behind a plastic lense housing to allow a heating element to prevent winter freeze over for users in the colder climates.
Still having new members discuss this will hopefully let SM know there is a desire for the warm round headlight.

 

[GotScout]

Plastic headlights are lame, anyone that disagrees, come on over and polish my dull ones back to clear.... thought so.....

 

[GotScout]

....to allow a heating element to prevent winter freeze over for users in the colder climates....

Look at 'city lights' inside european housings... a small 3-5W bulb would do same... generate a minute amount of heat to keep the GLASS clear.
(and anyone wanting a killer real light, nothing beats these DELTAs!!)
*See 'city light' in rear...

 

[classic-driver]

Definitely would love to see:
A) a 'classic' option that honors the old school Scout International head / tail lights.
B) a modern EV in which an enthusiast can easily swap parts with a screw driver, maybe a wrench, and no fussing with digital screens / electronics!

 

[Scout800a]

Here is the debate on glass vs poly carbonate (plastic) - impact resistance and dangerous debris. The plastic lenses on modern vehicles are safer such that there is much lower incident of shards becoming hazards. Glass lenses will more often break into sharp pieces that fall off to become danger to everyone where plastic will crack/break and more often stay with the vehicle. Also the broken off segments are less dangerous once they do come off the vehicle - plastic has less mass and tend to break along blunt lines vs glass being heavier and tends to break along sharp edges.

Glass costs more (last time I looked - may have change since). You can make plastic thinner and cheaper while still providing "adequate" performance. Glass needs thicker material to maintain its performance. Bonus - thinner material should also equal less optical distortion.

Plastic also allows for more design options involving shape and design. Glass is tougher to make into complex shapes while also meeting safety regulations.

And being that any where you can shave a few ounces or pounds is beneficial then plastic lenses win out against glass lenses.

All that said I hate the UV damaged plastic lenses and often search out glass replacements for my cars (they are available for many VW models).

Jason

 

[J Alynn]

Here is the debate on glass vs poly carbonate (plastic) - impact resistance and dangerous debris. The plastic lenses on modern vehicles are safer such that there is much lower incident of shards becoming hazards. Glass lenses will more often break into sharp pieces that fall off to become danger to everyone where plastic will crack/break and more often stay with the vehicle. Also the broken off segments are less dangerous once they do come off the vehicle - plastic has less mass and tend to break along blunt lines vs glass being heavier and tends to break along sharp edges.

Glass costs more (last time I looked - may have change since). You can make plastic thinner and cheaper while still providing "adequate" performance. Glass needs thicker material to maintain its performance. Bonus - thinner material should also equal less optical distortion.

Plastic also allows for more design options involving shape and design. Glass is tougher to make into complex shapes while also meeting safety regulations.

And being that any where you can shave a few ounces or pounds is beneficial then plastic lenses win out against glass lenses.

All that said I hate the UV damaged plastic lenses and often search out glass replacements for my cars (they are available for many VW models).

Jason

Thanks for that info. Never thought about that before but all makes a lot of sense.
Ironically with LED tech, so much of the covers-guessing 80% or more could probably be eliminated but at a cost of design not being appealing to buyers. Not advocating to do it either-lense housings are what give cars their personality and especially with the new scout having a heritage. Ironically o that point-original headlights were just bulbs so it’s funny how design and technology circle back around

 

[GotScout]

Here is the debate on glass vs poly carbonate (plastic) - impact resistance and dangerous debris. The plastic lenses on modern vehicles are safer such that there is much lower incident of shards becoming hazards. Glass lenses will more often break into sharp pieces that fall off to become danger to everyone where plastic will crack/break and more often stay with the vehicle. Also the broken off segments are less dangerous once they do come off the vehicle - plastic has less mass and tend to break along blunt lines vs glass being heavier and tends to break along sharp edges.

Glass costs more (last time I looked - may have change since). You can make plastic thinner and cheaper while still providing "adequate" performance. Glass needs thicker material to maintain its performance. Bonus - thinner material should also equal less optical distortion.

Plastic also allows for more design options involving shape and design. Glass is tougher to make into complex shapes while also meeting safety regulations.

And being that any where you can shave a few ounces or pounds is beneficial then plastic lenses win out against glass lenses.

All that said I hate the UV damaged plastic lenses and often search out glass replacements for my cars (they are available for many VW models).

Jason

There is a debate??? By whom? lol

 

[J Alynn]

Always been a fan of the Nissan Patrol-mainly because it’s a land yacht
That said saw this post of the 2025 patrol’s rear quarter and really liked these taillights. Feels light modern day Scout. Anxious to see the rear lights and back of new SM SUV

 

[TimmyHil08]

They should look as old as possible but with a modern twist so led bulbs, newer styling. Not a full redesign to them.

 

[J Alynn]

They should look as old as possible but with a modern twist so led bulbs, newer styling. Not a full redesign to them.

I agree but they’ve said they see the Scouts as an evolution as though this would be equivalent to like a 7th or 8th generation. I agree lights should be upright and rounded rectangles but I thought the image I posted was a tasteful look if you think of the evolution of Scout design. If they can pull off your suggested look I’m completely onboard with that as I think the Scout II taillights are simple and timeless

 

[TimmyHil08]

When i get the time ill design what im looking for as a design. And ill post it here.