Diesel generator

[pitrejonathan22]

It's my opinion, but i believe the range extending generator should be offered in a diesel, for a few reasons, one being the efficiency of diesel generators over gas, ive seen home generators that can run for 20 hours on a tank of diesel vs just s few hours on a tank of gasoline. And wirh the engine being under 70hp it wouldnt need DEF fluid
Two being that with a tank of diesel fuel onboard the vehicle the cabin could be heated with a diesel furnace similar to an espar diesel cabin furnace to maintain cabin temp in the winter time (I live in canada) and electric heater just draws power from the battery source where as a diesel furnace draws next to no power, and could be set to run overnight/constant/or on a timer with a thermostat and keep the battery itself warm wich is a big reason the range is lost in cold weather with electric vehicles in the northern climates, which would be a really cool feature for a electric car to be able to offer. All I'm saying is it would solve some of the problems electric vehicles currently have with the lack of a combustion engine's system to draw heat from, problems that are more evident in my climate i guess. I've seen transport trucks with onboard furnaces, i have one in my commercial fishing vessel, some RVs have them, I almost put one in my pickup truck
What's everyone's thoughts

 

[J Alynn]

It's my opinion, but i believe the range extending generator should be offered in a diesel, for a few reasons, one being the efficiency of diesel generators over gas, ive seen home generators that can run for 20 hours on a tank of diesel vs just s few hours on a tank of gasoline. And wirh the engine being under 70hp it wouldnt need DEF fluid
Two being that with a tank of diesel fuel onboard the vehicle the cabin could be heated with a diesel furnace similar to an espar diesel cabin furnace to maintain cabin temp in the winter time (I live in canada) and electric heater just draws power from the battery source where as a diesel furnace draws next to no power, and could be set to run overnight/constant/or on a timer with a thermostat and keep the battery itself warm wich is a big reason the range is lost in cold weather with electric vehicles in the northern climates, which would be a really cool feature for a electric car to be able to offer. All I'm saying is it would solve some of the problems electric vehicles currently have with the lack of a combustion engine's system to draw heat from, problems that are more evident in my climate i guess. I've seen transport trucks with onboard furnaces, i have one in my commercial fishing vessel, some RVs have them, I almost put one in my pickup truck
What's everyone's thoughts

With all due respect this discussion has been beat to death on this forum, if you use the search button you can find numerous thoughts and opinions.
First and foremost SM is under the umbrella of VWAG-famed for diesel-gate. A brand new EV company doesn’t want the stain of diesel-gate.
Sorry to be blunt but this is a terrible idea-based on all the discussions already had

 

[pitrejonathan22]

With all do respect this discussion has been beat to death on this forum, if you use the search button you can find numerous thoughts and opinions.
First and foremost SM is under the umbrella of VWAG-famed for diesel-gate. A brand new EV company doesn’t want the stain of diesel-gate.
Sorry to be blunt but this is a terrible idea-based on all the discussions already had

Gotcha, sorry I'm just recently jumping on the scout band wagon, I'm an enthusiast of the old international scouts. I've had some interest in electric vehicles but giving the environment I live it, they are not ideal. But seeing this technology paired with a range extending generator i find myself believing it could work. After all that is how the modern locomotive operates is it not? And if I'm not mistaken they use diesel. And not to be blunt but if this has been a topic of discussion here already well there must be more than just me that thinks it would solve more problems related to EVs than the minor taint of a diesel scandal
As for volkwagons diesel scandal, in my opinion they did the right thing, the jetta was famed for it efficiency and if your a diesel enthusiast at all you would know what these emissions systems do to the diesel engine... the range on my truck went from 600km to a tank of fuel to over 1000km to the same amount of fuel when my emission system was thrown in the garbage... and when the EGR was thrown in the garbage as well we were using a shop vac sucking out soot 1/2" thick in the air intake.. but somehow it's better for the environment to travel 400 less km on the same amount of fuel... more auto makers should have done what volkswagon did.
And on top of that, diesel engines below 74hp don't class in tier 4 of emissions and therefore don't require DEF fluid. Sorry to be blunt but you'll have to come up with a more compelling argument to sway my opinion on diesel over gas if the generator is going to be onboard anyways

 

[J Alynn]

Gotcha, sorry I'm just recently jumping on the scout band wagon, I'm an enthusiast of the old international scouts. I've had some interest in electric vehicles but giving the environment I live it, they are not ideal. But seeing this technology paired with a range extending generator i find myself believing it could work. After all that is how the modern locomotive operates is it not? And if I'm not mistaken they use diesel. And not to be blunt but if this has been a topic of discussion here already well there must be more than just me that thinks it would solve more problems related to EVs than the minor taint of a diesel scandal
As for volkwagons diesel scandal, in my opinion they did the right thing, the jetta was famed for it efficiency and if your a diesel enthusiast at all you would know what these emissions systems do to the diesel engine... the range on my truck went from 600km to a tank of fuel to over 1000km to the same amount of fuel when my emission system was thrown in the garbage... and when the EGR was thrown in the garbage as well we were using a shop vac sucking out soot 1/2" thick in the air intake.. but somehow it's better for the environment to travel 400 less km on the same amount of fuel... more auto makers should have done what volkswagon did.
And on top of that, diesel engines below 74hp don't class in tier 4 of emissions and therefore don't require DEF fluid. Sorry to be blunt but you'll have to come up with a more compelling argument to sway my opinion on diesel over gas if the generator is going to be onboard anyways

Read the other posts and see what the comments were. I’ve committed to the pure EV so I’ve got no skin in the game. I’ve just learned to use the search button on any topic I think of so that I can see what’s already being talked about.
You will find there is a lot of educated commenting on the Disraeli engine that may contradict your thoughts but again-not a worry on my part. I will also say having been at the reveal it was commented that diesel is not in the plan in part because of diesel-gate and based on direction of the engines they are looking at.

 

[pitrejonathan22]

Read the other posts and see what the comments were. I’ve committed to the pure EV so I’ve got no skin in the game. I’ve just learned to use the search button on any topic I think of so that I can see what’s already being talked about.
You will find there is a lot of educated commenting on the Disraeli engine that may contradict your thoughts but again-not a worry on my part. I will also say having been at the reveal it was commented that diesel is not in the plan in part because of diesel-gate and based on direction of the engines they are looking at.

Gotcha, i have been reading some threads and I see a lots who share my opinion bud, most arguments that argue against it seem to range from why not just use the onboard heatpump, the complexity of working on a diesel's emission syatem, and the scandal. I still feel like the electric heat would draw to much power for the battery power supply and will affect the range of one charge right.. and I feel as tho the complexity of the diesel engine needed wouldn't be any more complex than the gas engine needed..
Anyways bud it's just a wish of mine when I look at the vehicle as a whole bud.. in reality I wish I could take the leap of faith you have in the all electric version but i just can't see it being ideal for my climate. I don't see how it already haven been discussed as a reason I should keep my opinions to myself.. perhaps with enough people speaking up to address these downfalls it could stir up thoughts to address them... it might not come in a diesel but it is coming in a gas... tho gas isn't stable enough to run an auxiliary heater.. perhaps propane or hydrogen might happen in the future where the cabin heat wouldn't depend as much on the power storage supply of the battery.. propane generators aren't as efficient as diesel generators but the furnaces are more efficient than oil furnaces.. it could be a good trade off.. who know. It's just a concern I have and gave a solution for people to consider..

 

[pitrejonathan22]

Gotcha, i have been reading some threads and I see a lots who share my opinion bud, most arguments that argue against it seem to range from why not just use the onboard heatpump, the complexity of working on a diesel's emission syatem, and the scandal. I still feel like the electric heat would draw to much power for the battery power supply and will affect the range of one charge right.. and I feel as tho the complexity of the diesel engine needed wouldn't be any more complex than the gas engine needed..
Anyways bud it's just a wish of mine when I look at the vehicle as a whole bud.. in reality I wish I could take the leap of faith you have in the all electric version but i just can't see it being ideal for my climate. I don't see how it already haven been discussed as a reason I should keep my opinions to myself.. perhaps with enough people speaking up to address these downfalls it could stir up thoughts to address them... it might not come in a diesel but it is coming in a gas... tho gas isn't stable enough to run an auxiliary heater.. perhaps propane or hydrogen might happen in the future where the cabin heat wouldn't depend as much on the power storage supply of the battery.. propane generators aren't as efficient as diesel generators but the furnaces are more efficient than oil furnaces.. it could be a good trade off.. who know. It's just a concern I have and gave a solution for people to consider..

I mean.. imagine finding yourself in a snow storm with a 600km trip ahead of you.. winds ranging for 60/80 km/h, your travel speed is averaging 50km/h and you need to pull off for a few hours to let the worste of the storm pass or for a plow to come along that you can follow.. how long is the power supply for that electric heat pump going to last? Imagin the roads are glim ice and you end up in the ditch with in a foot of snow with temperatures around-35 Celsius and the tow truck is two hours away.. are you going to be kept warm? Very real scenarios people deal with in my area.. right now I have heat from the diesel engine in my truck... what's going to keep the cabin warm and who is to say what % of battery life you'll have left when your left in these situations.. they're not planned bud..

 

[J Alynn]

I mean.. imagine finding yourself in a snow storm with a 600km trip ahead of you.. winds ranging for 60/80 km/h, your travel speed is averaging 50km/h and you need to pull off for a few hours to let the worste of the storm pass or for a plow to come along that you can follow.. how long is the power supply for that electric heat pump going to last? Imagin the roads are glim ice and you end up in the ditch with in a foot of snow with temperatures around-35 Celsius and the tow truck is two hours away.. are you going to be kept warm? Very real scenarios people deal with in my area.. right now I have heat from the diesel engine in my truck... what's going to keep the cabin warm and who is to say what % of battery life you'll have left when your left in these situations.. they're not planned bud..

https://scoutmotors.community.forum/threads/extra-extra-read-all-about-it.172/reply?quote=18260

 

[J Alynn]

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a42642119/ev-winter-stranded-tips/?utm_campaign=trueanthemFBCDphoto&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1uDDoQOzAb4OmkjxlPVxy9x2c8k5FRPS4w7jIqxIdcFNB3t2lT3mYDPp4_aem_RSzbXaS1y8hQT5ZFyhAcFg

Not sure the link is working but this article is posted under the ExtrA,extra thread from 12/29

 

[Chuckles]

I mean.. imagine finding yourself in a snow storm with a 600km trip ahead of you.. winds ranging for 60/80 km/h, your travel speed is averaging 50km/h and you need to pull off for a few hours to let the worste of the storm pass or for a plow to come along that you can follow.. how long is the power supply for that electric heat pump going to last? Imagin the roads are glim ice and you end up in the ditch with in a foot of snow with temperatures around-35 Celsius and the tow truck is two hours away.. are you going to be kept warm? Very real scenarios people deal with in my area.. right now I have heat from the diesel engine in my truck... what's going to keep the cabin warm and who is to say what % of battery life you'll have left when your left in these situations.. they're not planned bud..

I can appreciate your situation, but 99.9 % of people will never encounter similar conditions. Diesel isn't a positive for the average vehicle buyer (heavier engine, more expensive fuel, not as prevalent as gas). We don't know how much power is needed to generate the required electricity either. It could be more than the 74 hp threshold you quoted. And Dieselgate is nothing to sneeze at. It cost VW over $25 billion!!

 

[pitrejonathan22]

I can appreciate your situation, but 99.9 % of people will never encounter similar conditions. Diesel isn't a positive for the average vehicle buyer (heavier engine, more expensive fuel, not as prevalent as gas). We don't know how much power is needed to generate the required electricity either. It could be more than the 74 hp threshold you quoted. And Dieselgate is nothing to sneeze at. It cost VW over $25 billion!!

Thanks bud, that article does do some justice to ease my mind in regards to my concern. I'd like to see a test in canadian winter conditions of -30 celcius to see how it would perform, perhaps thats something i can do when i have my scout, but for the 90% of the year, that would perform in my climate according to the performance they had seen
I believe ans i could be wrong, but a 75hp engine would produce around 55kw, enough to power a couple houses with 200amp panels.. it's a good point that we don't know the size but.. i don't know
Perhaps diesel is the answer and perhaps it isn't bud, i know if i had the choice I would choose a diesel and ypu are right they can't change their re-entry strategy into the industry to keep me happy, like you said I am just one i a big puddle, the gas generator however does gives me more confidence than without for my climate, I have 3 sources for heat in my home to make sure I'm never left with the scenario of having my family being left with no heat, so the generator does ease my mind, range extending is nice as well but range wouldn't persuade me either way to switch to an EV from currently having a diesel as a daily driver.. I like what electric vehicles can do, but, at the end of the day it needs to work, all year round..
i don't remember snarling at dieselgate, I do realize it cost them a lot of money, it is a shame that they haven't sold diesels since, they had a great product before 2015..
I'll tell you what tho, when I do get my scout I'll come back after our first winter owning it and let you know if there was any downfalls with the gas generator/electric heatpump combo, perhaps there won't be any issues, perhaps I'll swap it out myself lol, either way I appreciate the debate
Cheers

 

[shutthefrontdoor]

Having driven an EV in CDN winters for the past 7, many of which were RWD only, I've never had any issues or concerns. Worst thing is driving on ice covered roads with one pedal driving and taking your foot off only to cause the wheels to lock up. But that's easily fixed by turning it down or off ahead of time or after your heart settles down.

I've also had a diesel VW and HD truck so can empathize with wanting a diesel range extender but as others have said, it ain't happening. There's too much of a general public negative connotation with diesel. Scout would immediately lose any environmental/outdoor cred.

One other thing to consider is that the Scout might have an all-electric option of a solid state battery which would have far less degradation in cold weather as well as greater energy density. So even if you are foolish enough to go out in weather that's extreme/dangerous (unless of course an emergency), you'd probably be OK. And always of course remember to have proper clothing, food, water and an emergency kit in your vehicle during such events. Satellite to phone might come in handy there as well.

If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

 

[J Alynn]

Having driven an EV in CDN winters for the past 7, many of which were RWD only, I've never had any issues or concerns. Worst thing is driving on ice covered roads with one pedal driving and taking your foot off only to cause the wheels to lock up. But that's easily fixed by turning it down or off ahead of time or after your heart settles down.

I've also had a diesel VW and HD truck so can empathize with wanting a diesel range extender but as others have said, it ain't happening. There's too much of a general public negative connotation with diesel. Scout would immediately lose any environmental/outdoor cred.

One other thing to consider is that the Scout might have an all-electric option of a solid state battery which would have far less degradation in cold weather as well as greater energy density. So even if you are foolish enough to go out in weather that's extreme/dangerous (unless of course an emergency), you'd probably be OK. And always of course remember to have proper clothing, food, water and an emergency kit in your vehicle during such events. Satellite to phone might come in handy there as well.

If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

FYI-Jamie just stated today or last night in other thread that solid state batteries are not planned at this time but maybe down the road when enough testing time is available. I’m onboard with that but agree there is a lot of testing that still needs done and two years isn’t enough for SM to hang its hat on.

 

[pitrejonathan22]

Having driven an EV in CDN winters for the past 7, many of which were RWD only, I've never had any issues or concerns. Worst thing is driving on ice covered roads with one pedal driving and taking your foot off only to cause the wheels to lock up. But that's easily fixed by turning it down or off ahead of time or after your heart settles down.

I've also had a diesel VW and HD truck so can empathize with wanting a diesel range extender but as others have said, it ain't happening. There's too much of a general public negative connotation with diesel. Scout would immediately lose any environmental/outdoor cred.

One other thing to consider is that the Scout might have an all-electric option of a solid state battery which would have far less degradation in cold weather as well as greater energy density. So even if you are foolish enough to go out in weather that's extreme/dangerous (unless of course an emergency), you'd probably be OK. And always of course remember to have proper clothing, food, water and an emergency kit in your vehicle during such events. Satellite to phone might come in handy there as well.

If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

Good suggestions bud, appreciate the reply
If you dont mind me asking, do you have any problems with the cabin of your vehicles warming up on the colder days? Do you run the full heater Or do you just keep the steering wheel and seat warm to conserve energy?
Personally my interest in electric vehicles has less to do with the belief that my impact on the environment is of lesser somehow, and more to do with how it would perform and its potential fit in the modern life, so maybe my opinion is biased towards why I'd like the diesel generator more than the green movement would be for sure.. perhaps thats why dieselgate bothers me less that what the majority of the public
Good advice on the pre trip planning tho,
Cheers
Jon

 

[shutthefrontdoor]

Hopefully this isn't too repetitive as it's very rudimentary information and probably said more eloquently in a million other places but in respect to colder days, for many, it's just not even on their radar it's so inconsequential. Many EV owners are charging at home, plugging in to a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet overnight to gain about 30miles/50km per hour of range and driving away with a preconditioned cabin and warm battery with an amount of range that's optimal for whatever they are doing, in whatever weather. No worries. No range anxiety. In this scenario, an EV makes a ton of sense. As you get further from this, an EV starts becoming less optimal. You have to guage your tolerance for that and the degree to which you would make any accomodations. Those who really want an EV, tend to figure out how to make that work. Worse case, you rent a vacation and/or a tow vehicle. For hard core, frequent use, outdoor enthusiasts in remote locations, an EV just wouldn't fit the bill, regardless of temps.

Some don't have the luxury of a garage but are still Level 2 charging at home outdoors which is also fine. Early Tesla's had issues with their charge ports in damp/freezing weather but now can warm that area. If I was charging outdoors, I'd want to ensure the EV I bought could do that and the door handles worked in the cold without issues. But since you are pre-heating the cabin anyway, one strategy in the very cold is just do so much longer while plugged in. Ensure your EV has something akin to a cold weather package.

If I lived in some northern regions and had to rely ONLY on superchargers for charging, I probably wouldn't have an EV. I know Tesla's original manuals said to not let it sit unplugged "below -22º F (-30º C) for more than 24 hours at a time." But even plugging into a standard house circuit alleviates that. You'll get almost no charging though as it will spend most of that juice just keeping the battery warm.

I certainly don't miss pumping fuel and just in the past year, there is further research showing diesel fumes can also affect our immune system. An impact on the environment sometimes trickles down to an impact on you, your health and your longevity/healthspan.

You could also play with https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and plug in values (such as temps) for various EV's, route specific parameters etc. to start getting a better idea as to whether an EV might meet your needs or not.

More NACS chargers are on their way in 2025 in Canada and hopefully NA infrastructure keeps unfolding at a good pace.
Tesla adding over 50 new Superchargers with more than 630 stalls across Canada in 2025

The $5k CDN rebate funds will be depleted in a few weeks and then will go on hold for a bit. We'll see if it gets re-funded given current political climates. It's quite possible there will be no incentives for EV's by the time the Scout is rolled out. Which is fine. The market will adjust.

As mentioned, solid state batteries (which will also improve over time) may help your ability to tolerate a BEV but as J Alynn has mentioned, won't be available on the Scout for a while after launch. I was hoping within a year of the Scout being released but definitely not at launch from everything I've read about QuantumScape who would be the likely provider but perhaps that's even being too optimistic. Who knows. Maybe they will all go to Porsche and Audi etc. and Scout won't be alloted any or feel there's enough demand to justify accomodating it.

But hey, I'm like the ex-smoker who then berates everyone for smoking. I'm an ex-diesel head that feels he's found a better way.

 

[pitrejonathan22]

FYI-Jamie just stated today or last night in other thread that solid state batteries are not planned at this time but maybe down the road when enough testing time is available. I’m onboard with that but agree there is a lot of testing that still needs done and two years isn’t enough for SM

Hopefully this isn't too repetitive as it's very rudimentary information and probably said more eloquently in a million other places but in respect to colder days, for many, it's just not even on their radar it's so inconsequential. Many EV owners are charging at home, plugging in to a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet overnight to gain about 30miles/50km per hour of range and driving away with a preconditioned cabin and warm battery with an amount of range that's optimal for whatever they are doing, in whatever weather. No worries. No range anxiety. In this scenario, an EV makes a ton of sense. As you get further from this, an EV starts becoming less optimal. You have to guage your tolerance for that and the degree to which you would make any accomodations. Those who really want an EV, tend to figure out how to make that work. Worse case, you rent a vacation and/or a tow vehicle. For hard core, frequent use, outdoor enthusiasts in remote locations, an EV just wouldn't fit the bill, regardless of temps.

Some don't have the luxury of a garage but are still Level 2 charging at home outdoors which is also fine. Early Tesla's had issues with their charge ports in damp/freezing weather but now can warm that area. If I was charging outdoors, I'd want to ensure the EV I bought could do that and the door handles worked in the cold without issues. But since you are pre-heating the cabin anyway, one strategy in the very cold is just do so much longer while plugged in. Ensure your EV has something akin to a cold weather package.

If I lived in some northern regions and had to rely ONLY on superchargers for charging, I probably wouldn't have an EV. I know Tesla's original manuals said to not let it sit unplugged "below -22º F (-30º C) for more than 24 hours at a time." But even plugging into a standard house circuit alleviates that. You'll get almost no charging though as it will spend most of that juice just keeping the battery warm.

I certainly don't miss pumping fuel and just in the past year, there is further research showing diesel fumes can also affect our immune system. An impact on the environment sometimes trickles down to an impact on you, your health and your longevity/healthspan.

You could also play with https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and plug in values (such as temps) for various EV's, route specific parameters etc. to start getting a better idea as to whether an EV might meet your needs or not.

More NACS chargers are on their way in 2025 in Canada and hopefully NA infrastructure keeps unfolding at a good pace.
Tesla adding over 50 new Superchargers with more than 630 stalls across Canada in 2025

The $5k CDN rebate funds will be depleted in a few weeks and then will go on hold for a bit. We'll see if it gets re-funded given current political climates. It's quite possible there will be no incentives for EV's by the time the Scout is rolled out. Which is fine. The market will adjust.

As mentioned, solid state batteries (which will also improve over time) may help your ability to tolerate a BEV but as J Alynn has mentioned, won't be available on the Scout for a while after launch. I was hoping within a year of the Scout being released but definitely not at launch from everything I've read about QuantumScape who would be the likely provider but perhaps that's even being too optimistic. Who knows. Maybe they will all go to Porsche and Audi etc. and Scout won't be alloted any or feel there's enough demand to justify accomodating it.

But hey, I'm like the ex-smoker who then berates everyone for smoking. I'm an ex-diesel head that feels he's found a better way.

Thanks for your thoughts bud, as of yet I do not own an EV or have any close friends who do either to share experiences with
What you described in your first paragraph illustrates my vision for what I'd like 90% of my experience in owing my first EV to mimic ideally, solar panels on the home, electric vehicles for localized driving. It seems like it would be great. Ideal really
But what I'm looking at buying isn't an pure EV, it's basically a miniature version of the modern locomotive, as my diesel pickup is currently a miniature version of a transport truck. The EV technology paired with a generator just makes a lot of sense to me, you get all the perks of an electric vehicles, the home charging, the unreal torque, paired with an onboard steady state power source. The scenario i painted of being stranded on the side of the road seems so much less grim with a generator right on board, as ypu stated in your previous reply, just being prepared for these situations, one could bring a Jerry can of gas along with you as a fail safe. It's hard to bring a second battery source in case of emergency, but a Jerry can, sure, your in no different boat than anyone else at this point
And I hear you on the diesel fumes, tho gas fumes are dangerous themselves they are listed as less dangerous than diesel, tho I still can't wrap my mind around my using an EV having any impact on the environment as a whole when you compare how many diesel motors it took to mine the materials needed to make the EV I'll be driving.. it's like taking out the trash right.. you might not see it anymore in front of you... but that doesn't mean the garbage somehow disappeared all together.. it's just in another place.
So given you can see my train of thought, and you looked as this mini locomotive, say we just looked at it strictly as an engineer would and we took the politics out of it. You would never design this with a gas generator, a diesel generator is way more efficient at producing energy than gas which reduces your over all fuel consumption, which i would guess overall would reduce your impact on the environment if you are consuming less fossil fuels, and you can run an alternative heat source off the diesel as it's more stable than gas.. you could run i hydronic heater with glycogen tube's surrounding your battery, your engine, your cabin with very minimal fuel consumption, and very little electric consumption, if i had to guess without doing the math, it would be considerably less than heating an 800sqft garage to keep your EV warm. Which would reduce would reduce your over all energy consumption and lessen your impact on the environment..
And you can say it's just a northern problem but really, anywhere over the 40th parallel is going to experience snow and below zero temperatures, maybe not to the degree that somebody north of the 44th parallel would, but still.. having an onboard heat source to keep the electrical components and engine warm during the 10% of weather conditions that demand it, doesn't seem like a bad idea to me..
These are my thoughts bud, I appreciate your views and your sharing your experiences
Much appreciated
Jon