Adaptive Driving beams and thermal imaging.

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Adaptive Driving beams on Scout!

While about 32% of driving is in the dark, over 50% of fatal accidents occur in the dark/at night.


While ‘Auto high beams’ are ubiquitous, they are not the same as Adaptive Driving Beams (ADBs).

EU, Japan and Canada have enjoyed ADBs for TEN YEARS! Much safer!

US regulators now allow it, updated from a 1968 Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 (FMVSS 108)regulation but only Rivian R1T/S now have it.

Audi’s brand of ADBs is ‘Matrix’ but crippled in the US compared to other markets.

IF scout doesn’t include it, they will be behind competitors by 2027 from the start.

ADBs mask oncoming cars and those in front of you digitally while shining “high beams” everywhere else always and constantly.

I rented car with it in Germany in August and it is a game changer.

ADBs also highlight pedestrians 🚶 up to their knees on the side of the road to identify them. Deer too. 🦌

While Matrix and ADB allow for even more nice features, the ones I mention above are a must.

It adds expense, But what is your life or the life of the child you don’t hit worth?

Thermal imaging like on MB S class in the past works at a further range and more on the sides of the road for incoming deer. Some combo of ADB with thermal would be the ultimate in safety.

Thoughts?

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Well, SM could utilize laser headlight technology......⚡💡

NOT - I think that the Grinch US Federal Motor Vehicle standards do not allow it...

Good thing, because too many Scout upgrades and I will not have the money 💵 to buy a Scout....lol
 
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J Alynn,

Haven’t bought a Rivian R1T/S or model S/X or cyber for many reasons. I can afford them but I don’t think they are worth $100K. Their depreciation proves that to me.

However, battery prices have come down from $100 a KWh years ago to $53 a KWh and I hope some of this cost savings can be used to make Scout cutting edge and safe, utilizing ‘sunk cost’ features like 360 cameras present for ADAS and parking via software add on as dashcams. Tesla and Rivian did just that via OTA updates and software because of central computing/zonal architecture.

ADBs to me are a must for safety for me and other drivers but they are certainly an extra cost I’d pay for as an option.

I hope a Scout is no more that $60 k but we’ll see.

Cheers!

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$60k is going to be for the base model, very unlikely to have all the options we saw at the reveal. but to your point, if battery prices do come down they may be able to squeeze in more features for that same price. id guess the decked out versions they showed would be closer to $80k

and to your point about depreciation, all EVs are depreciating near the same levels, not just Rivian and Tesla.
 
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Agree but with auto high beams I get a very similar benefit with basically no new development costs. Still saying I’m a fan but not at a sizable increased cost and per @Scoutsie i agree I don’t want to pay the premium for R&D and patent costs. Let the Luxury market pay to bring the cost down for another 4-5 years and install it in the Gen2 scouts.
Again. I’m not anti-technology, in fact I drove Acuras most my life and part of the allure was all their tech at a more reasonable cost than the German luxury cars. And once you have it for a while you can’t live without it 😀
The moment I want my high beams the most is when a car is oncoming, the glare of their headlights making visibility extra difficult. :oops:
Of course, if I lived in town I wouldn't really care, but every day (urrr, night) I drive out into the dark-yet-blinding countryside down a small two lane road. The speed limit is 35, so 40. That's a closing speed of 80mph for a car that will pass three or four feet away. Now that I'm older, I'd like to make it less exciting! :D So perhaps as an option for when it would be a big safety boost, or if you want an animated Scout logo flashed onto the ground in front of your truck every time you turn it on. :rolleyes:
 
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Well, SM could utilize laser headlight technology......⚡💡

NOT - I think that the Grinch US Federal Motor Vehicle standards do not allow it...

Good thing, because too many Scout upgrades and I will not have the money 💵 to buy a Scout....lol

Well, Lasers are allowed because BMW in the US has already sold expensive cars with laser headlights:


Available for the last ten years, even on the smaller M3. However, seems to be discontinued as of now.
 
$60k is going to be for the base model, very unlikely to have all the options we saw at the reveal. but to your point, if battery prices do come down they may be able to squeeze in more features for that same price. id guess the decked out versions they showed would be closer to $80k

and to your point about depreciation, all EVs are depreciating near the same levels, not just Rivian and Tesla.

To the Depreciation point:

All EV but not all EVs with Range extenders since none (other than the crippled BMW IX 3) have ever been sold, to my knowledge. I guess Volt too but none of these vehicles are compelling. RAM with range extender to come out soon vs Scout with Harvester are the only that are useful.

Then again, depreciation means little to me since I keep vehicles for 15 years. I usually hand them down to my three daughters or relatives who need them.

Cheers.
 
Well, Lasers are allowed because BMW in the US has already sold expensive cars with laser headlights:


Available for the last ten years, even on the smaller M3. However, seems to be discontinued as of now.
".....the bright future that laser lighting once promised has all but dimmed in the US...."
 
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