Adaptive Driving beams and thermal imaging.

[Latrant]

Adaptive Driving beams on Scout!

While about 32% of driving is in the dark, over 50% of fatal accidents occur in the dark/at night.

https://www.nsc.org/road/safety-topics/driving-at-night

While ‘Auto high beams’ are ubiquitous, they are not the same as Adaptive Driving Beams (ADBs).

EU, Japan and Canada have enjoyed ADBs for TEN YEARS! Much safer!

US regulators now allow it, updated from a 1968 Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 (FMVSS 108)regulation but only Rivian R1T/S now have it.

Audi’s brand of ADBs is ‘Matrix’ but crippled in the US compared to other markets.

IF scout doesn’t include it, they will be behind competitors by 2027 from the start.

ADBs mask oncoming cars and those in front of you digitally while shining “high beams” everywhere else always and constantly.

I rented car with it in Germany in August and it is a game changer.

ADBs also highlight pedestrians up to their knees on the side of the road to identify them. Deer too.

While Matrix and ADB allow for even more nice features, the ones I mention above are a must.

It adds expense, But what is your life or the life of the child you don’t hit worth?

Thermal imaging like on MB S class in the past works at a further range and more on the sides of the road for incoming deer. Some combo of ADB with thermal would be the ultimate in safety.

Thoughts?

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[eddiet1212]

Works for me.....My Volvo has ADB.

 

[J Alynn]

Adaptive Driving beams on Scout!

While about 32% of driving is in the dark, over 50% of fatal accidents occur in the dark/at night.

https://www.nsc.org/road/safety-topics/driving-at-night

While ‘Auto high beams’ are ubiquitous, they are not the same as Adaptive Driving Beams (ADBs).

EU, Japan and Canada have enjoyed ADBs for TEN YEARS! Much safer!

US regulators now allow it, updated from a 1968 Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 (FMVSS 108)regulation but only Rivian R1T/S now have it.

Audi’s brand of ADBs is ‘Matrix’ but crippled in the US compared to other markets.

IF scout doesn’t include it, they will be behind competitors by 2027 from the start.

ADBs mask oncoming cars and those in front of you digitally while shining “high beams” everywhere else always and constantly.

I rented car with it in Germany in August and it is a game changer.

ADBs also highlight pedestrians up to their knees on the side of the road to identify them. Deer too.

While Matrix and ADB allow for even more nice features, the ones I mention above are a must.

It adds expense, But what is your life or the life of the child you don’t hit worth?

Thermal imaging like on MB S class in the past works at a further range and more on the sides of the road for incoming deer. Some combo of ADB with thermal would be the ultimate in safety.

Thoughts?

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I’m in favor but again if all these top end safety features are added and are beyond the NHTSA requirements then for me it’s a question of costs. Not against the tech but if Scouts bump to $65K base and $75 with desirable features most buyers want then the sales drop incrementally. At $75 K I’m all but out of the game buying a Scout. This is always the worry of crowd sourced input VS scope creep. If they do everything everybody wants it’s a $100K vehicle and then SM dies because that roughly double the price of the average new car price. I’m also pretty sure the majority of us here aren’t the 3% of the country.
I’m all for new tech, especially safety but 10 years ago LED’s were just starting and the luxury brands pushed them in which helped mainstream. SM should not be thought of as luxury. Can you spec it that way-I hope but I’m guessing virtually nobody is looking g for Scouts to be at the luxury level.

 

[Scoutsie]

I’m in favor but again if all these top end safety features are added and are beyond the NHTSA requirements then for me it’s a question of costs. Not against the tech but if Scouts bump to $65K base and $75 with desirable features most buyers want then the sales drop incrementally. At $75 K I’m all but out of the game buying a Scout. This is always the worry of crowd sourced input VS scope creep. If they do everything everybody wants it’s a $100K vehicle and then SM dies because that roughly double the price of the average new car price. I’m also pretty sure the majority of us here aren’t the 3% of the country.
I’m all for new tech, especially safety but 10 years ago LED’s were just starting and the luxury brands pushed them in which helped mainstream. SM should not be thought of as luxury. Can you spec it that way-I hope but I’m guessing virtually nobody is looking g for Scouts to be at the luxury level.

I agree with this. This and the 4K/8K integrated dash cam setup that you’ve suggested are great features, but they are not going to be standard features, which is to say that these are going to be top-of-the-line only. That means less people buy these, which means less profit, which means meh?

They’re cool ideas, but it’s money that could be better spent elsewhere for the target demographic.

That said, if you’re well off and looking for a marriage of convenience or something, I don’t object to being on someone else’s health insurance plan and what I lack in stunning beauty I make up for in cunning wit?

 

[J Alynn]

I agree with this. This and the 4K/8K integrated dash cam setup that you’ve suggested are great features, but they are not going to be standard features, which is to say that these are going to be top-of-the-line only. That means less people buy these, which means less profit, which means meh?

They’re cool ideas, but it’s money that could be better spent elsewhere for the target demographic.

That said, if you’re well off and looking for a marriage of convenience or something, I don’t object to being on someone else’s health insurance plan and what I lack in stunning beauty I make up for in cunning wit?

Oh how I love your wit. That said-my wife’s in banking, is the bread winner and would leave me bankrupt . I know your statement wasn’t to me but wanted to establish my situation. I almost always smile after reading your ‘wit’ on this forum.

 

[Scoutsie]

Oh how I love your wit. That said-my wife’s in banking, is the bread winner and would leave me bankrupt . I know your statement wasn’t to me but wanted to establish my situation. I almost always smile after reading your ‘wit’ on this forum.

Banker wife > unemployed disabled woman. Thank you all the same. I appreciate you even jokingly considering the idea of ruining your marriage pour mon petit moi.

I mean, fellas, not that I’m not going to understate the value of a Ukrainian wife who you didn’t have to go through an agency to obtain who has the advantage of being a natural-born citizen with English fluency and just has the disadvantage of, you know, medical issues. But hey! I can make small talk about graphene batteries and, like all good Victorian ladies, I have a lovely needlepoint sampler and my dowry includes high-end kitchen appliances and creepy dolls. Don’t you tell me that’s a left swipe.

 

[dleepnw]

yes, please implement adaptive headlights! this should be posted in the Suggestion Box if it hasn't already. it'll certainly improve safety for Scout drivers but also benefits other drivers not being blinded.

headlight brightest has increased a lot over the past 5-10 years with LEDs. i can't tell you how annoying Tesla headlights are as they super bright and worse the glare obscures my vision. especially the model 3 and Y, which unfortunately are the most popular models. i believe the newest model 3 has adaptive headlights thank god.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

Adaptive Driving beams on Scout!

While about 32% of driving is in the dark, over 50% of fatal accidents occur in the dark/at night.

https://www.nsc.org/road/safety-topics/driving-at-night

While ‘Auto high beams’ are ubiquitous, they are not the same as Adaptive Driving Beams (ADBs).

EU, Japan and Canada have enjoyed ADBs for TEN YEARS! Much safer!

US regulators now allow it, updated from a 1968 Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 (FMVSS 108)regulation but only Rivian R1T/S now have it.

Audi’s brand of ADBs is ‘Matrix’ but crippled in the US compared to other markets.

IF scout doesn’t include it, they will be behind competitors by 2027 from the start.

ADBs mask oncoming cars and those in front of you digitally while shining “high beams” everywhere else always and constantly.

I rented car with it in Germany in August and it is a game changer.

ADBs also highlight pedestrians up to their knees on the side of the road to identify them. Deer too.

While Matrix and ADB allow for even more nice features, the ones I mention above are a must.

It adds expense, But what is your life or the life of the child you don’t hit worth?

Thermal imaging like on MB S class in the past works at a further range and more on the sides of the road for incoming deer. Some combo of ADB with thermal would be the ultimate in safety.

Thoughts?

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Sounds amazing, but also sounds out of the price range I’m willing to plop down and I know I’m not the only one. Also sounds as if it could be outside of Scout Motors’ aim and/or intended buyer crowd, but who knows I could be wrong. I would think they’d want to keep pricing as competitive as possible to feed the masses, especially as a clean-sheet “start-up” and especially at launch.

It would be great to see options like this that could attract more buyers, but at the same time there are those of us who will not be willing or able to purchase as the price creeps up if luxury options are added as standard.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

I’m in favor but again if all these top end safety features are added and are beyond the NHTSA requirements then for me it’s a question of costs. Not against the tech but if Scouts bump to $65K base and $75 with desirable features most buyers want then the sales drop incrementally. At $75 K I’m all but out of the game buying a Scout. This is always the worry of crowd sourced input VS scope creep. If they do everything everybody wants it’s a $100K vehicle and then SM dies because that roughly double the price of the average new car price. I’m also pretty sure the majority of us here aren’t the 3% of the country.
I’m all for new tech, especially safety but 10 years ago LED’s were just starting and the luxury brands pushed them in which helped mainstream. SM should not be thought of as luxury. Can you spec it that way-I hope but I’m guessing virtually nobody is looking g for Scouts to be at the luxury level.

Well said. This is basically where I’m at as well.

 

[J Alynn]

Perhaps it’s an upgrade packed not a round head light design. That way you get premium lights with the vintage round. Win-win for a bunch of people!

 

[Latrant]

yes, please implement adaptive headlights! this should be posted in the Suggestion Box if it hasn't already. it'll certainly improve safety for Scout drivers but also benefits other drivers not being blinded.

headlight brightest has increased a lot over the past 5-10 years with LEDs. i can't tell you how annoying Tesla headlights are as they super bright and worse the glare obscures my vision. especially the model 3 and Y, which unfortunately are the most popular models. i believe the newest model 3 has adaptive headlights thank god.

I think I started it in the suggestion box.

 

[Latrant]

I’m in favor but again if all these top end safety features are added and are beyond the NHTSA requirements then for me it’s a question of costs. Not against the tech but if Scouts bump to $65K base and $75 with desirable features most buyers want then the sales drop incrementally. At $75 K I’m all but out of the game buying a Scout. This is always the worry of crowd sourced input VS scope creep. If they do everything everybody wants it’s a $100K vehicle and then SM dies because that roughly double the price of the average new car price. I’m also pretty sure the majority of us here aren’t the 3% of the country.
I’m all for new tech, especially safety but 10 years ago LED’s were just starting and the luxury brands pushed them in which helped mainstream. SM should not be thought of as luxury. Can you spec it that way-I hope but I’m guessing virtually nobody is looking g for Scouts to be at the luxury level.

J Alynn,

Haven’t bought a Rivian R1T/S or model S/X or cyber for many reasons. I can afford them but I don’t think they are worth $100K. Their depreciation proves that to me.

However, battery prices have come down from $100 a KWh years ago to $53 a KWh and I hope some of this cost savings can be used to make Scout cutting edge and safe, utilizing ‘sunk cost’ features like 360 cameras present for ADAS and parking via software add on as dashcams. Tesla and Rivian did just that via OTA updates and software because of central computing/zonal architecture.

ADBs to me are a must for safety for me and other drivers but they are certainly an extra cost I’d pay for as an option.

I hope a Scout is no more that $60 k but we’ll see.

Cheers!

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[J Alynn]

J Alynn,

Haven’t bought a Rivian R1T/S or model S/X or cyber for many reasons. I can afford them but I don’t think they are worth $100K. Their depreciation proves that to me.

However, battery prices have come down from $100 a KWh years ago to $53 a KWh and I hope some of this cost savings can be used to make Scout cutting edge and safe, utilizing ‘sunk cost’ features like 360 cameras present for ADAS and parking via software add on as dashcams. Tesla and Rivian did just that via OTA updates and software because of central computing/zonal architecture.

ADBs to me are a must for safety for me and other drivers but they are certainly an extra cost I’d pay for as an option.

I hope a Scout is no more that $60 k but we’ll see.

Cheers!

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At reveal they implied the cost of Traveler would be just under $60 and with tax credit (that will surely be dead by production) was to take it to low mid $50K. Without tax credit and fear of tariff increases I suspect it will push over $60k. I realize batteries continue to drop in price and I’m sure SM knows this but at what the forecast appears to be that price drop (IF-especially if 25% tariff on Canada where most American batteries are made) then the battery cost won’t be a significant savings. Whether most recall, when SM announced start up 2 years ago the scouts were anticipated in the $40K range and now we’re looking at almost $60K.
I’m very hopeful but I think as most of us hope, SM takes the al a cart approach to things so we can all get more of what we want at a cost that we can all figure out how to manage.

 

[LastDayScout]

Banker wife > unemployed disabled woman. Thank you all the same. I appreciate you even jokingly considering the idea of ruining your marriage pour mon petit moi.

I mean, fellas, not that I’m not going to understate the value of a Ukrainian wife who you didn’t have to go through an agency to obtain who has the advantage of being a natural-born citizen with English fluency and just has the disadvantage of, you know, medical issues. But hey! I can make small talk about graphene batteries and, like all good Victorian ladies, I have a lovely needlepoint sampler and my dowry includes high-end kitchen appliances and creepy dolls. Don’t you tell me that’s a left swipe.

 

[OIBScout]

The current design of the lights doesn't seem to be adaptive. There are less expensive ways to accomplish adaptive style performance (e.g., side marker / fog light illumination on turning).

I've ranted elsewhere about making LED boards and drivers ACCESSIBLE for owner maintenance - like changing a lamp - wherever Scout can. My Touareg, with adaptive headlights, is facing a four figure daytime running light bill as the passenger side failed, and is NOT something the dealer will repair, but wants to instead replace.

With Scout being design intended for some off-highway use, I hope they keep things like exterior lighting as simple and serviceable as possible!

 

[TreeKiller]

Personally, I don't want the cost and complexity of adaptive headlights. Also, Scout has stated that some 80% of the vehicle's components will be user serviceable and the more fancy stuff you add in there the more unlikely it will be that you can service it yourself. Seems highly unlikely that a headlight with a variable beam shape and automatic targeting and illumination of pedestrians etc would be a simple device.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Sometime soon when I can take a day off work I'm going to hack in and activate the adaptive (anti-glare) headlights in my Lightning. From what I've seen in poor-quality videos, they're fantastic.

 

[Scoutsie]

Again, don’t get me wrong, the idea of adaptive headlights and anything that is going to make use of research breakthroughs in sensors and actuators is super cool, but I’m less interested in double-subsidizing research that already received plenty of grant funding and patent money and obviously had commercial viability because someone licensed it and then lining someone else’s pockets just because it’s novel technology and we need to wait ten years to pay something more in line with what it’s actually worth. Throwing money at stuff that costs very little to make for the sake of making people rich for as long as they can ride it out is wearying. Apologies for the grouchy tone, I just don’t know how this issue gets solved. If I did, I’d be in charge of something.

 

[Albal]

True matrix headlights would be a major major selling point for me. They've been around in luxury cars for awhile now, so I think they'll start becoming mainstream soon. For those that drive on country roads regularly (ie no streetlights), the safety benefit is huge. Next time you're driving somewhere without streetlights, just think about it. Click on those high beams. Now imagine that you never have to turn them off. Huge.

 

[J Alynn]

True matrix headlights would be a major major selling point for me. They've been around in luxury cars for awhile now, so I think they'll start becoming mainstream soon. For those that drive on country roads regularly (ie no streetlights), the safety benefit is huge. Next time you're driving somewhere without streetlights, just think about it. Click on those high beams. Now imagine that you never have to turn them off. Huge.

Agree but with auto high beams I get a very similar benefit with basically no new development costs. Still saying I’m a fan but not at a sizable increased cost and per @Scoutsie i agree I don’t want to pay the premium for R&D and patent costs. Let the Luxury market pay to bring the cost down for another 4-5 years and install it in the Gen2 scouts.
Again. I’m not anti-technology, in fact I drove Acuras most my life and part of the allure was all their tech at a more reasonable cost than the German luxury cars. And once you have it for a while you can’t live without it