The gas tank needs to be bigger on the Harvester models

[JoeSchmoe]

I'm really excited that Scout is finally making a proper EREV truck and suv for the American market. I think Ford and GM should have launched their EV trucks with an EREV option from the beginning. The primary use case of my current Honda Ridgeline is to tow a small 14ft ,~2000 pound camper. It gets around 25 mpg normally on the highway and about 10-12 towing the trailer. High speed plus the aero drag of a trailer causes terrible fuel economy. We have high speed limits out west up to 80mph so I usually have to go at least 70 to not be run off the road. It has a 20 gallon gas tank which means I can only realistically go about 170 miles between fill ups while towing without getting super nervous especially if the gas stations are 30+ miles apart in the middle of nowhere.

If the EREV Scouts are going to get around 150 miles of EV range then 350 miles on the 15 gallon tank, that equates to 23mpg which should end up with the same 10-12 mpg when towing at highway speeds. The 15 gallon tank is really going to be a problem for longer drives. Sure I'd get about 75 miles towing in EV mode from the battery, but after that, if I'm just relying on gas for the rest of the trip, I only have a towing range of ~150-180 miles. You don't want to run until empty and with gas stations 30+ miles apart that makes your realistic towing range between stops close to 120 miles. This range limitation is already annoying in my gas truck with a 20 gallon tank. It's going to be much worse with only a 15 gallon tank. Having the gas can option is nice, but for regular trips, I don't want to have to pull over and use the gas can on the side of the road. That should only be for emergencies or extended off grid camping trips.

Please make the gas tank 25 gallons or bigger for those of us that tow.

 

[dreamweaver]

I'm really excited that Scout is finally making a proper EREV truck and suv for the American market. I think Ford and GM should have launched their EV trucks with an EREV option from the beginning. The primary use case of my current Honda Ridgeline is to tow a small 14ft ,~2000 pound camper. It gets around 25 mpg normally on the highway and about 10-12 towing the trailer. High speed plus the aero drag of a trailer causes terrible fuel economy. We have high speed limits out west up to 80mph so I usually have to go at least 70 to not be run off the road. It has a 20 gallon gas tank which means I can only realistically go about 170 miles between fill ups while towing without getting super nervous especially if the gas stations are 30+ miles apart in the middle of nowhere.

If the EREV Scouts are going to get around 150 miles of EV range then 350 miles on the 15 gallon tank, that equates to 23mpg which should end up with the same 10-12 mpg when towing at highway speeds. The 15 gallon tank is really going to be a problem for longer drives. Sure I'd get about 75 miles towing in EV mode from the battery, but after that, if I'm just relying on gas for the rest of the trip, I only have a towing range of ~150-180 miles. You don't want to run until empty and with gas stations 30+ miles apart that makes your realistic towing range between stops close to 120 miles. This range limitation is already annoying in my gas truck with a 20 gallon tank. It's going to be much worse with only a 15 gallon tank. Having the gas can option is nice, but for regular trips, I don't want to have to pull over and use the gas can on the side of the road. That should only be for emergencies or extended off grid camping trips.

Please make the gas tank 25 gallons or bigger for those of us that tow.

Welcome to the community

 

[Badams]

I would like to see the range numbers from scout while towing the max weight. I’m also curious if the harvester will be able to keep up with the increased draw from towing.

 

[JoeSchmoe]

Usually at highway speeds aero matters way more than weight unless you are climbing a hill. On flat ground you might see better mpg towing a 10k pound flatbed trailer with gravel than a 2k pound small RV like mine. It's like pulling a giant sail behind you.

I saw that the new Ramcharger EREV that is coming later this year reserves about 20% of it's battery no matter what to make sure it has enough power in hybrid/gas mode. It also will have a tow mode where it reserves 50% of the battery to make sure you can get up steep grades while towing.

 

[Badams]

I live in the mountains so the range lost by climbing grades matter a lot to me. They could simply run the towing test with a box trailer which has no aerodynamics with extra weight added to make it to max weight then one test solves both questions.

The ramcharger seems to have found a good solution to the increased battery usage from more load on the motors.

 

[J Alynn]

I heard at the reveal they will have a harvester option that mounts a 20 gallon tank In the middle of the bench seat. Gotta find space somewhere!

 

[Badams]

I heard at the reveal they will have a harvester option that mounts a 20 gallon tank In the middle of the bench seat. Gotta find space somewhere!

This is one of the funniest I’ve seen

 

[THil08]

I heard at the reveal they will have a harvester option that mounts a 20 gallon tank In the middle of the bench seat. Gotta find space somewhere!

You sure it wasn’t the 35gallon gas thank with the V8 that was mentioned?

 

[J Alynn]

You sure it wasn’t the 35gallon gas thank with the V8 that was mentioned?

Don’t be silly-the V8 goes in the frunk. Granted there will be a LARGE hood bump so it fits but its design looks cool. They are going old school Mitsubishi eclipse with the hood bulge on just the passenger side (in matte black obviously). In that case they are making a 46 gallon tank (in red) that roof mounts like an aero storage case and the gas gravity feeds into the tank. There will then be an optional, option to add a water bladder (think giant camel pack) that fits inside the case just in case you need 46 gallons of water rather than fuel. Say you want to smuggle exotic South American fish back to your specialty pet store.
Everyone is covered that way!

I also hear they are developing rear window saddle packs (ie-defender inspired) that will mount hydrogen filler pods for that option. That will also (quite ingeniously) drain the water “exhaust” to a mini pump that pushes it up to the roof bladder. It’s the circle of life BABY!

 

[J Alynn]

Concept image

 

[BeerParty]

Usually at highway speeds aero matters way more than weight unless you are climbing a hill. On flat ground you might see better mpg towing a 10k pound flatbed trailer with gravel than a 2k pound small RV like mine. It's like pulling a giant sail behind you.

I saw that the new Ramcharger EREV that is coming later this year reserves about 20% of it's battery no matter what to make sure it has enough power in hybrid/gas mode. It also will have a tow mode where it reserves 50% of the battery to make sure you can get up steep grades while towing.

The interview videos of the reveal last month indicated that they will have (at least) three EREV driving modes for the Harvester. One of those modes is "max" which is designed for towing, so the Harvester will have a EREV mode like the Ramcharger.

 

[IdahoJOAT]

Usually at highway speeds aero matters way more than weight unless you are climbing a hill. On flat ground you might see better mpg towing a 10k pound flatbed trailer with gravel than a 2k pound small RV like mine. It's like pulling a giant sail behind you.

I saw that the new Ramcharger EREV that is coming later this year reserves about 20% of it's battery no matter what to make sure it has enough power in hybrid/gas mode. It also will have a tow mode where it reserves 50% of the battery to make sure you can get up steep grades while towing.

I can personally attest to any Stellantis product(I had a JLURe for about 3 years) that the ~20% of that reserve gets eaten up real fast once they issue a recall not to charge it or park it inside, during winter of course, with no fix for 4 months.

Happened twice.

It'll now take me a lot to trust Stellantis with a hybrid/EV vehicle again.