You just nailed the buyer demographic with that comment. I started an age group poll sometime ago but should start promoting it again as I really am curious which age(s) group will be largest demographic. I do think 50’s it gonna be the majority.I’m looking for a 50 something mid-life-crisis-mobile so I can throw caution to the wind.
Turned out that cynical Generation X could be easily bought all along. Make a Garbage Pail Kids special edition, be in the black for years.You just nailed the buyer demographic with that comment. I started an age group poll sometime again ago but should start promoting it again as I really am curious which age(s) group will be largest demographic. I do think 50’s it gonna be the majority.
Experienced them as children and have the means to afford. Money and nostalgia-the perfect tools for successful sales
I think there will be follow on models that include many of the open air things people have on their wish list. I never took the top off of my Scout II. Too big and heavy and no where to store it.I'd love removable doors with SSII style inserts and maybe soft doors an aftermarket option.
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Turned out that cynical Generation X could be easily bought all along. Make a Garbage Pail Kids special edition, be in the black for years.
That would be cool, I hope they consider it!I think there will be follow on models that include many of the open air things people have on their wish list. I never took the top off of my Scout II. Too big and heavy and no where to store it.
I think my dad took the top off once and never again. I remember that he would talk about it a lot, but it never happened. My favorite thing were the triangle-shaped side windows that pushed out, anyhow. Having windows that got pushed open seemed pretty great. Why hasn’t anyone latched onto that fond memory and made it the hill that they plan to die on? Have the triangle windows have been waiting for me to remember them?That would be cool, I hope they consider it!
I hear ya. The top for my K5 was quite heavy when removing. All of the newer Jeep and Bronco tops have been like a feather in comparison when removing so removable tops are definitely different animals these days with 40 to 50 years of improvements.
Don’t worry, they already made it to the suggestion listI think my dad took the top off once and never again. I remember that he would talk about it a lot, but it never happened. My favorite thing were the triangle-shaped side windows that pushed out, anyhow. Having windows that got pushed open seemed pretty great. Why hasn’t anyone latched onto that fond memory and made it the hill that they plan to die on? Have the triangle windows have been waiting for me to remember them?
I don't see anyone hating on them. Just people pointing out that only a tiny niche of buyers care about taking doors off.
I mean, I hate on them . They have their niche and times they would be nice, but it’s not something I’ll ever do.
I’m almost the complete opposite. I don’t want removable doors on the Traveler. If anything, I want sturdy, solid doors that give that delectable, German “thunk” when they close. Nothing flimsy, tinny, or loose.
The off-road community kind of just does what they want. Those that want to remove their doors are going to remove their doors.
Yup, this is what I said a few posts back.Yes. All doors are removable. It's just a question of how much time and how many tools are required. You can mod them to make them more removable:
My sentiments exactly-but I do t own a JeepIn my 20s I would spend the winter in Florida with the doors off and was thankful in the summer to put them back on; even if they did not seal well enough to keep the AC in.
In my 40s now and in my Gladiator I would never bother/risk running without doors on. Paint is too hard to match. Too much disrespect for fellow citizens abound now. The new doors actually have wires in them and probably more safety steel. I leave things in the car that can be replaced but I dont want the hassle or expense. I have just gotten older....
Now on my "vintage" LJ jeep, oh yeah drivers side door comes off all the time. Passenger side, not so much, my wifey is not a daredevil.
Would I like removable doors on my Scout, sure. Would I pay extra for removable doors....nope...
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I used to race spec e30, BMW 325s from the 80s and 90s. It was literally two nuts on each door and the doors on that fine german automobile would pop right off. Once removed the nuts would be tossed and lost; raced for years and never had a door come loose. Mind you we stripped the doors of wiring and glass as part of the rule set so that made them lighter and less complicated to remove.I don't think removable doors have to be flimsy. You don't need external hinges like the Wrangler. That's just an affectation. Those external hinges end up getting chipped and leading to corrosion, so definitely NOT a fan of those. But Bronco has removable doors and keeps hinges inside.
I don't care either way, unless they make the doors worse to ease removal, then I would be against them.
Yes. All doors are removable. It's just a question of how much time and how many tools are required. You can mod them to make them more removable:
I drove my e30 Super Eta this morning!I used to race spec e30, BMW 325s from the 80s and 90s. It was literally two nuts on each door and the doors on that fine german automobile would pop right off. Once removed the nuts would be tossed and lost; raced for years and never had a door come loose. Mind you we stripped the doors of wiring and glass as part of the rule set so that made them lighter and less complicated to remove.
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I couldn’t agree more, Jeep currently has a ton of issues/mismanagement and there is definitely an opportunity window to swipe some market share. Makes me very sad as a long-term Jeep fan, but it’s true.Too late for the Terra and Traveler to get removable doors but I hope a future model will have both removable doors and roof. Jeep sales are struggling bad and that segment is ripe for Scout to convert some owners.
Jeep got all excited about their increasing sales, and ratcheted up the pricing for their models across the board. If you'd have told me 10 years ago that we'd have $100k+ Jeeps for sale, and Wranglers over $90k, I'd have called you crazy.I couldn’t agree more, Jeep currently has a ton of issues/mismanagement and there is definitely an opportunity window to swipe some market share. Makes me very sad as a long-term Jeep fan, but it’s true.
Absolutely! I couldn’t agree more. Well said.Jeep got all excited about their increasing sales, and ratcheted up the pricing for their models across the board. If you'd have told me 10 years ago that we'd have $100k+ Jeeps for sale, and Wranglers over $90k, I'd have called you crazy.
But here we are.
And now that interest rates are up, and the economy is down, people are voting with their wallet/feet, and Jeeps sales are really struggling.
I do feel that Scout has the chance to make some serious dents in the market share of Jeep/Rivian though.