Consumer Freedom and Scout Motors in South Carolina

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Forum members,

It's great to see all of the activity, enthusiasm, and discussion on the forum. By way of introduction, I serve as the Vice President of Growth at Scout Motors. In a nutshell, I'm responsible for retail strategy, customer experience, and commercial operations.

As many of you likely know, Scout Motors has selected a direct-to-consumer retail model. This means that Scout Motors will sell Scout vehicles to Scout customers. We believe it's the right strategy and, after talking to many consumers, believe it's what the market demands.

We would love nothing more than to build an Experience Center at the factory in Blythewood, South Carolina. From there, we could offer factory tours, driving experiences, product displays, and factory delivery of new vehicles. Unfortunately, antiquated regulations in South Carolina stand in our way.

We hope to get these laws changed and know that many state leaders see it the same way. To start the conversation in South Carolina, I posted the below article to LinkedIn today. I thought all of you should know our logic, vision, and requests of the state as well. Enjoy!

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From: LinkedIn

The Post & Courier has it right: Scout Motors is proud to manufacture in the Palmetto State and we'd be honored if our brand became synonymous with South Carolina.

Another thing they have right: Scout Motors believes that freedom in car buying should be restored for South Carolina consumers.

Selling vehicles through franchised dealers is exactly the right strategy for some automakers. No doubt, it has the potential to serve the customers of established brands well.

It is equally true that selling vehicles directly to consumers is the best strategy for other automakers, Scout Motors included. Many automotive new entrants have, after reviewing the costs and benefits, made the same decision.

These two business models do not need to be mutually exclusive.

Like in all other industries—where companies and consumers freely decide on the best distribution model, or choose to use both—automotive distribution need not be an all-or-nothing proposition. Economists, academics, consumer protection groups, free market advocates, and federal agencies roundly agree: the consumer and competition are benefitted when the direct sale of automobiles is permitted.

Scout Motors also agrees. Consumers deserve the freedom to choose how they buy a car for many reasons, including:
  • Affordability - Eliminating the double marginalization of a middleman lowers the retail price of Scout vehicles by thousands of dollars. This benefits both consumers and Scout Motors. By being within financial reach of more Americans, Scout Motors can achieve higher market share, run our production plant at higher capacities, and employ more South Carolinians.
  • Transparency - Consumers are incredibly frustrated at the lack of straightforward pricing in auto buying and servicing. Surprise markups and add-ons have many consumers feeling irate. A direct sales model solves this entirely. Scout customers will always know what they’re paying.
  • Customer experience - A direct sales model allows Scout Motors to have one-on-one relationships with our customers. With this, we can create centralized customer accounts, apps, and records that make buying, owning, and servicing Scout vehicles incredibly easy and seamless. Further, only in a direct sales model does Scout Motors maintain the operational flexibility necessary to quickly scale and adjust our national retail network to meet rapidly changing sales and service needs. Finally, we foresee a future in which data privacy and protection becomes a significant consumer concern and purchase driver; in a direct sales model, we can ensure that our customers (and their data) never become the product.
  • EV focus - Unlike the EV negativity that now permeates franchised dealers and their sales teams (alas, over 5,000 franchised dealers twice petitioned President Biden to “hit the brakes” on EV sales and 49% of dealer sales staff report being "not excited at all" to sell EVs), a direct sales model allows us to build a sales team that knows our products, understands the litany of benefits offered by EVs, and reliably delivers ambitious monthly sales targets.
  • Progress – The basic dealership experience has not changed in the last 75 years. But the world around it has. Consumers expect a modern retail experience that blends in-person and online options. They expect services that leverage and adopt modern technology. Online vehicle purchases completed in minutes, mobile service in your driveway, and over-the-air diagnostics and updates, for example, are just the tip of the iceberg. Customers deserve access to modern technologies and experiences, and Scout Motors plans to provide them through direct sales.
South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve freedom in choosing how they buy a car.

South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve affordable vehicles that aren’t touched by a middleman.

South Carolina workers, like all American workers, deserve to be able to buy the products that they manufacture.

And South Carolina citizens, like all American citizens, deserve business friendly policies that generate economic prosperity and that do not attempt to snuff-out new market entrants.

As it stands, because of antiquated regulations kept in place by the dealer lobby, South Carolinians will have to travel to other states to purchase the Scout vehicles that are made in Blythewood, South Carolina. This would be tragic, and an affront to both consumer choice and the free market that South Carolina ordinarily embraces.

But, we’re hopeful change is on the way. South Carolina, its legislature, and its leaders (especially South Carolina Governor's Office and South Carolina Department of Commerce) are visionary on economic development, industrial trends, and the future of transportation. They tackle hard issues when they arise, and I believe this issue will soon get the scrutiny it deserves.
 
I'm wondering if this could simultaneously be pushed for on a federal level. If successful, fix the problem nation wide with one move.

Also, I hope auto makers in general are coordinating their efforts to get these ridiculous dealer laws nullified.
 
I'm wondering if this could simultaneously be pushed for on a federal level. If successful, fix the problem nation wide with one move.

Also, I hope auto makers in general are coordinating their efforts to get these ridiculous dealer laws nullified.
I sometimes wonder if the autoworkers union should step up in favor of this nation wide. They could all have raises and if they all went on strike at once they could crush the dealer’s association in one fell swoop
 
Forum members,

It's great to see all of the activity, enthusiasm, and discussion on the forum. By way of introduction, I serve as the Vice President of Growth at Scout Motors. In a nutshell, I'm responsible for retail strategy, customer experience, and commercial operations.

As many of you likely know, Scout Motors has selected a direct-to-consumer retail model. This means that Scout Motors will sell Scout vehicles to Scout customers. We believe it's the right strategy and, after talking to many consumers, believe it's what the market demands.

We would love nothing more than to build an Experience Center at the factory in Blythewood, South Carolina. From there, we could offer factory tours, driving experiences, product displays, and factory delivery of new vehicles. Unfortunately, antiquated regulations in South Carolina stand in our way.

We hope to get these laws changed and know that many state leaders see it the same way. To start the conversation in South Carolina, I posted the below article to LinkedIn today. I thought all of you should know our logic, vision, and requests of the state as well. Enjoy!

...

From: LinkedIn

The Post & Courier has it right: Scout Motors is proud to manufacture in the Palmetto State and we'd be honored if our brand became synonymous with South Carolina.

Another thing they have right: Scout Motors believes that freedom in car buying should be restored for South Carolina consumers.

Selling vehicles through franchised dealers is exactly the right strategy for some automakers. No doubt, it has the potential to serve the customers of established brands well.

It is equally true that selling vehicles directly to consumers is the best strategy for other automakers, Scout Motors included. Many automotive new entrants have, after reviewing the costs and benefits, made the same decision.

These two business models do not need to be mutually exclusive.

Like in all other industries—where companies and consumers freely decide on the best distribution model, or choose to use both—automotive distribution need not be an all-or-nothing proposition. Economists, academics, consumer protection groups, free market advocates, and federal agencies roundly agree: the consumer and competition are benefitted when the direct sale of automobiles is permitted.

Scout Motors also agrees. Consumers deserve the freedom to choose how they buy a car for many reasons, including:
  • Affordability - Eliminating the double marginalization of a middleman lowers the retail price of Scout vehicles by thousands of dollars. This benefits both consumers and Scout Motors. By being within financial reach of more Americans, Scout Motors can achieve higher market share, run our production plant at higher capacities, and employ more South Carolinians.
  • Transparency - Consumers are incredibly frustrated at the lack of straightforward pricing in auto buying and servicing. Surprise markups and add-ons have many consumers feeling irate. A direct sales model solves this entirely. Scout customers will always know what they’re paying.
  • Customer experience - A direct sales model allows Scout Motors to have one-on-one relationships with our customers. With this, we can create centralized customer accounts, apps, and records that make buying, owning, and servicing Scout vehicles incredibly easy and seamless. Further, only in a direct sales model does Scout Motors maintain the operational flexibility necessary to quickly scale and adjust our national retail network to meet rapidly changing sales and service needs. Finally, we foresee a future in which data privacy and protection becomes a significant consumer concern and purchase driver; in a direct sales model, we can ensure that our customers (and their data) never become the product.
  • EV focus - Unlike the EV negativity that now permeates franchised dealers and their sales teams (alas, over 5,000 franchised dealers twice petitioned President Biden to “hit the brakes” on EV sales and 49% of dealer sales staff report being "not excited at all" to sell EVs), a direct sales model allows us to build a sales team that knows our products, understands the litany of benefits offered by EVs, and reliably delivers ambitious monthly sales targets.
  • Progress – The basic dealership experience has not changed in the last 75 years. But the world around it has. Consumers expect a modern retail experience that blends in-person and online options. They expect services that leverage and adopt modern technology. Online vehicle purchases completed in minutes, mobile service in your driveway, and over-the-air diagnostics and updates, for example, are just the tip of the iceberg. Customers deserve access to modern technologies and experiences, and Scout Motors plans to provide them through direct sales.
South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve freedom in choosing how they buy a car.

South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve affordable vehicles that aren’t touched by a middleman.

South Carolina workers, like all American workers, deserve to be able to buy the products that they manufacture.

And South Carolina citizens, like all American citizens, deserve business friendly policies that generate economic prosperity and that do not attempt to snuff-out new market entrants.

As it stands, because of antiquated regulations kept in place by the dealer lobby, South Carolinians will have to travel to other states to purchase the Scout vehicles that are made in Blythewood, South Carolina. This would be tragic, and an affront to both consumer choice and the free market that South Carolina ordinarily embraces.

But, we’re hopeful change is on the way. South Carolina, its legislature, and its leaders (especially South Carolina Governor's Office and South Carolina Department of Commerce) are visionary on economic development, industrial trends, and the future of transportation. They tackle hard issues when they arise, and I believe this issue will soon get the scrutiny it deserves.
I’m glad you brought this up today. I saw something interesting on YouTube and it made me think of Scout immediately. There’s a a YouTuber who mentions using Amazon as the dealer. Not sure how legit that is, but I found the idea interesting.

Here’s the video I mentioned. He’s not wrong when it comes to buying a Ram/Dodge product. Most of the dealership experience is terrible.
 
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I’m glad you brought this up today. I saw something interesting on YouTube and it made me think of Scout immediately. There’s a a YouTuber who mentions using Amazon as the dealer. Not sure how legit that is, but I found the idea interesting.

Here’s the video I mentioned. He’s not wrong when it comes to buying a Ram/Dodge product. Most of the dealership experience is terrible.
Hyundai now has online purchasing through Amazon (I think). It’s a great commercial with knight rider theme song in the background
 
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I hope Scout can get things changed in South Carolina and that changes follow in other states. If you want people showing up for things like state house Lobby Days, count me in. 🤩
 
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I'm wondering if this could simultaneously be pushed for on a federal level. If successful, fix the problem nation wide with one move.

Also, I hope auto makers in general are coordinating their efforts to get these ridiculous dealer laws nullified.
I like your thinking. A lot of very smart people who specialize in this area of the law are suggesting the same thing (for example). Changes to federal laws are much more difficult, but would absolutely solve this for consumers nationwide at a much faster pace.

Similarly, some new-form OEMs are beginning to file federal lawsuits on constitutional grounds (for example). These protectionist state laws are offensive to constitutional protections like equal opportunity, due process, and the commerce clause. Will be interesting to watch as these cases develop.
 
I hope Scout can get things changed in South Carolina and that changes follow in other states. If you want people showing up for things like state house Lobby Days, count me in. 🤩
Thank you! Even a handful of letters/emails showing up in the office a state legislator makes a huge difference. We'll soon have an opportunity for reservation holders and interested parties to get involved. More to come!
 
Hyping Madi now has online purchasing through Amazon (I think). It’s a great commercial with knife rider theme song in the background
This is an interesting one. As it stands today, the Amazon offer is simply a lead generation tool for dealers. I don't think that Amazon will stand still for long, however, and may have future strategies to expand this offer over time.

Ultimately, however, so long as a third-party middleman holds the state dealer license, there's not much that Amazon can offer to solve all of the consumer pain points in purchasing a vehicle.
 
I personally don’t like the dealership model - the added costs/fees, lack of effective customer service and support- I have a fairly new Chevy 1500 diesel, had it in to the dealership 6 times in the first 3 months of ownership due to issues with the exterior cams/center display screen functionality , both needed when attaching up a trailer and trailering with our racehorses. Had GM corporate customer service involved also to work with the dealership to get resolved via 3 software updates and several hours spent each time in the service bay.
My overall impression with the knowledge and skill sets/ customer service from the Chevy dealer/GM left me very disappointed and has informed my decision not to purchase another truck from any of the Big 3 US manufacturers. Thus the reservation for a Terra with the Harvester option.
 
Thank you! Even a handful of letters/emails showing up in the office a state legislator makes a huge difference. We'll soon have an opportunity for reservation holders and interested parties to get involved. More to come!
At minimum, posting a form letter template here on the forum could go a long way towards uptake on residents sending such letters to their reps. Even better would be something that would eat zip code and other user-provided information to pre-populate a filled-out template, as well as look up that person's reps' contact information.
 
I’m glad you brought this up today. I saw something interesting on YouTube and it made me think of Scout immediately. There’s a a YouTuber who mentions using Amazon as the dealer. Not sure how legit that is, but I found the idea interesting.

Here’s the video I mentioned. He’s not wrong when it comes to buying a Ram/Dodge product. Most of the dealership experience is terrible.
I've been seeing the Hyundai commercials for purchasing on Amazon. Interesting thought!
 
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Forum members,

It's great to see all of the activity, enthusiasm, and discussion on the forum. By way of introduction, I serve as the Vice President of Growth at Scout Motors. In a nutshell, I'm responsible for retail strategy, customer experience, and commercial operations.

As many of you likely know, Scout Motors has selected a direct-to-consumer retail model. This means that Scout Motors will sell Scout vehicles to Scout customers. We believe it's the right strategy and, after talking to many consumers, believe it's what the market demands.

We would love nothing more than to build an Experience Center at the factory in Blythewood, South Carolina. From there, we could offer factory tours, driving experiences, product displays, and factory delivery of new vehicles. Unfortunately, antiquated regulations in South Carolina stand in our way.

We hope to get these laws changed and know that many state leaders see it the same way. To start the conversation in South Carolina, I posted the below article to LinkedIn today. I thought all of you should know our logic, vision, and requests of the state as well. Enjoy!

...

From: LinkedIn

The Post & Courier has it right: Scout Motors is proud to manufacture in the Palmetto State and we'd be honored if our brand became synonymous with South Carolina.

Another thing they have right: Scout Motors believes that freedom in car buying should be restored for South Carolina consumers.

Selling vehicles through franchised dealers is exactly the right strategy for some automakers. No doubt, it has the potential to serve the customers of established brands well.

It is equally true that selling vehicles directly to consumers is the best strategy for other automakers, Scout Motors included. Many automotive new entrants have, after reviewing the costs and benefits, made the same decision.

These two business models do not need to be mutually exclusive.

Like in all other industries—where companies and consumers freely decide on the best distribution model, or choose to use both—automotive distribution need not be an all-or-nothing proposition. Economists, academics, consumer protection groups, free market advocates, and federal agencies roundly agree: the consumer and competition are benefitted when the direct sale of automobiles is permitted.

Scout Motors also agrees. Consumers deserve the freedom to choose how they buy a car for many reasons, including:
  • Affordability - Eliminating the double marginalization of a middleman lowers the retail price of Scout vehicles by thousands of dollars. This benefits both consumers and Scout Motors. By being within financial reach of more Americans, Scout Motors can achieve higher market share, run our production plant at higher capacities, and employ more South Carolinians.
  • Transparency - Consumers are incredibly frustrated at the lack of straightforward pricing in auto buying and servicing. Surprise markups and add-ons have many consumers feeling irate. A direct sales model solves this entirely. Scout customers will always know what they’re paying.
  • Customer experience - A direct sales model allows Scout Motors to have one-on-one relationships with our customers. With this, we can create centralized customer accounts, apps, and records that make buying, owning, and servicing Scout vehicles incredibly easy and seamless. Further, only in a direct sales model does Scout Motors maintain the operational flexibility necessary to quickly scale and adjust our national retail network to meet rapidly changing sales and service needs. Finally, we foresee a future in which data privacy and protection becomes a significant consumer concern and purchase driver; in a direct sales model, we can ensure that our customers (and their data) never become the product.
  • EV focus - Unlike the EV negativity that now permeates franchised dealers and their sales teams (alas, over 5,000 franchised dealers twice petitioned President Biden to “hit the brakes” on EV sales and 49% of dealer sales staff report being "not excited at all" to sell EVs), a direct sales model allows us to build a sales team that knows our products, understands the litany of benefits offered by EVs, and reliably delivers ambitious monthly sales targets.
  • Progress – The basic dealership experience has not changed in the last 75 years. But the world around it has. Consumers expect a modern retail experience that blends in-person and online options. They expect services that leverage and adopt modern technology. Online vehicle purchases completed in minutes, mobile service in your driveway, and over-the-air diagnostics and updates, for example, are just the tip of the iceberg. Customers deserve access to modern technologies and experiences, and Scout Motors plans to provide them through direct sales.
South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve freedom in choosing how they buy a car.

South Carolina consumers, like all American consumers, deserve affordable vehicles that aren’t touched by a middleman.

South Carolina workers, like all American workers, deserve to be able to buy the products that they manufacture.

And South Carolina citizens, like all American citizens, deserve business friendly policies that generate economic prosperity and that do not attempt to snuff-out new market entrants.

As it stands, because of antiquated regulations kept in place by the dealer lobby, South Carolinians will have to travel to other states to purchase the Scout vehicles that are made in Blythewood, South Carolina. This would be tragic, and an affront to both consumer choice and the free market that South Carolina ordinarily embraces.

But, we’re hopeful change is on the way. South Carolina, its legislature, and its leaders (especially South Carolina Governor's Office and South Carolina Department of Commerce) are visionary on economic development, industrial trends, and the future of transportation. They tackle hard issues when they arise, and I believe this issue will soon get the scrutiny it deserves.
I am a South Carolinian and I will certainly reach out to my representatives. I am sure that Scout's reservation holders would also sign a petition.
 
Personally, I think the UAW should not be involved since they raise car prices, since the wages are insanely high, and they run companies into debt. The UAW is very small in South Carolina only 400 members. BMW and Volvo aren't involved with the UAW, and both seem to be doing fine I never hear of BMW and Volvo workers complaining, But Ford and GM workers are constantly.

BMW is $19.32 - $20.75 hourly pay

Volvo is $23.00 - $31.50 hourly pay

Both are over 24% higher wage than the National Average. Scout Motors is better off staying far away from the UAW, makes less problems for them and keeps the vehicles more affordable.


And for the dealerships being an issue I think the best way of making a impact is contacting local officials and maybe write a letter to the incoming president. (1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington DC). or at least that's what I'm doing. Might be meeting with him in the oval office about this soon along with other car related issues in the USA
 
Has anyone purchased through Costco? Wondering how that works. Assume you still need to deal with a local dealer at some point?
I looked into it and to this day there’s an Audi dealership in New Hampshire who will not leave me in peace because all I did was have curiosity about how it worked. 😳 That’s enough to put me off from wanting to do it, regardless of what reasonable price is paid.
 
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Has anyone purchased through Costco? Wondering how that works. Assume you still need to deal with a local dealer at some point?
I did once some time ago. It was fine. They work with dealers and are not a dealer themselves. So, still require a local dealer. In fact, they only work with a few dealers and in my experience the options only exist where there's competition between dealers already. In my current small town, where there's at most one dealer per brand, none of the dealers work with Costco or any other broker because they would rather fleece the customer directly.
 
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I am about 20 minutes from the Rivian factory in Normal, Illinois. I have been out there and test driven an R1S. As Rivian is already setup for direct to consumer sales in mulitple states and VW has invested heavily in Rivian it would be great if they could leverage that relationship to assist Scout with direct to consumer sales. Just a thought. After dealing with arguing with dealers about dealer markup and "manadatory" dealer add ons on two cars we purchased in 2022, the last thing I want to do is deal with a dealership again.