I understand Scout is being designed with current battery tech in mind i.e LI-ion etc. But is scout also looking at upcoming battery technologies like Solid state and semi solid-state. If in 5 years, battery technology has improved quite a bit, it would great if the car is designed in such a way that, we could simply install a new battery pack without buying a whole new car.
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SM is actively reviewing all option currently as 2 years could offer a game changing break through. They didn’t say much more but maybe @Jamie@ScoutMotors can shed more light. VWAG is also building new factory in Canada so that may impact things too but not sure what battery type they are producing there
The electric Dodge Charger will hit the road with Factorial's solid-state EV batteries in 2026
The electric Dodge Charger Daytona will be the first Stellantis EV to hit the road with Factorial’s solid-state batteries in...
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We had serious discussions of concern about this at reveal and it started with someone saying nearly word for word your commentIf a Dodge Charger can get solid state batteries, maybe Scouts can.The electric Dodge Charger will hit the road with Factorial's solid-state EV batteries in 2026
The electric Dodge Charger Daytona will be the first Stellantis EV to hit the road with Factorial’s solid-state batteries in...
. It’s proven at small scale but at volume a lot of techs are squirming. It is Stellantis though so what the hell-let them guinea pig itJust a thought - but if there is an eventual battery battery upgrade - perhaps sell a case/system to convert the existing battery to a home backup battery system. It would be useful to some, and help the resale value of the old battery for others.
People see the recycling pyramid and only think recycle. It is Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. Find a easy way to reuse, if reduce (starting with a better tech first) is not viable.
People see the recycling pyramid and only think recycle. It is Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. Find a easy way to reuse, if reduce (starting with a better tech first) is not viable.
Sodium Ion is promising future technology. Safer, with good degradation specs and easier recycling. Energy density isn't as good as the current lithium technologies, but all of them are evolving quickly.
Battery modules should be individually serviceable / replaceable. Can't mix Li-Ion and Solid State batteries, but at least they should be easily serviceable to extend the useful life of the vehicle for 2nd, 3rd, etc owners...or those who want to keep them for a long time.
To be honest, I don’t want to be the first buyer of any new tech (especially from Stellantis!). I’m more than willing to give up a little performance/range for reliability.
We’ve had many discussions. Pulling a battery pack and replacing with another is difficult and expensive. Current battery tech should outlast the vehicle so as things improve it only makes sense they will continue getting even more reliable
“Outlast the vehicle” - remember, some folks in this forum have vehicles > 60 years old
Fair. But those vehicles are all but -from the ground up” so fair point but a bit slanted“Outlast the vehicle” - remember, some folks in this forum have vehicles > 60 years old
Solid State Batteries are on the cusp, much the same as the Scout. These batteries have significant advantages over lithium Ion, including range of 400 -600 miles (no need for gas and generator), ability to operate efficiently in cold temperatures, significantly longer life without degradation (95 % capacity after 1000 cycles - approximately 500,000 miles), fast charge to 80% in less than 15 minutes, no discernable detraction in power when towing, less expensive and less weight. If scout does not start with these types of batteries, there is something wrong. These batteries will be in full production by the time that Scout is in full production. Scout is a new car/truck and should start with the new type of battery.
I'm installing solar soon and this is my goal: to plug my Mustang into it as another whole home backup and peak shaving source. The Mustang, as-built, isn't designed for this, but there are known ways to relatively safely tap into the 400 V high voltage battery for around 50A of backup current.
Why not just install a home battery system with your solar? Then you can avoid peak rates and/or utility power at night, *and* drive your car the next morning, or when the power goes out and you need to leave your home.
Because the home battery is far more expensive in $/kWh than a used EV is.
If a Dodge Charger can get solid state batteries, maybe Scouts can.The electric Dodge Charger will hit the road with Factorial's solid-state EV batteries in 2026
The electric Dodge Charger Daytona will be the first Stellantis EV to hit the road with Factorial’s solid-state batteries in...
That's just a test/demo "fleet", and it's only the "semi-solid" state "Fest" batteries.
Don't hold your breath on the next big thing. When there is a real commercially available SS battery, they will be low volume and premium priced for quite a while. So they won't be a surprise. It will be more a case of: "Those are now finally available for sub $100K cars.
In the first couple of years, I'd expect the largest Scout pack will use conventional NMC battery chemistry for decent price and density.
Smaller packs could use less dense, but less expensive, and safer LFP cells.
I'm not concerned about form factor, but I'd prefer some kind of modular arrangement for future reparability out of warranty. I hate Tesla's completely unrepairable "structural" packs.
Interesting video / article on new battery tech the military is investing in. Made in the USA, could be a good fit for SM.
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Why The US Military Chose Silicon-Graphene Batteries - Undecided with Matt Ferrell
The US military just approved funding for a new silicon-based battery, charging forward into commercialization. But why the push? NanoGraf’s silicon oxide-graphene (SOG) batteries aren’t just an upgrade to lithium—they’re versatile enough for everything from phones and backup storage to EVs. The...
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Interesting video / article on new battery tech the military is investing in. Made in the USA, could be a good fit for SM.
Why The US Military Chose Silicon-Graphene Batteries - Undecided with Matt Ferrell
The US military just approved funding for a new silicon-based battery, charging forward into commercialization. But why the push? NanoGraf’s silicon oxide-graphene (SOG) batteries aren’t just an upgrade to lithium—they’re versatile enough for everything from phones and backup storage to EVs. The...
It's a contract for more development. Also it really isn't a battery, but a material High Silicon anode material that work for any battery using Graphite Anodes.
Multiple companies are trying to make this work:
While the military might think 20% more capacity for 100% more cost is a reasonable tradeoff for soldiers in the field, it's unlikely car makers or consumers will.
Also take the "made in the USA" with a grain of salt. This is just adding one US made material to all the same ones we are dependent on, like Nickel, Lithium and Cobalt which you still need in the same amounts. It just replaces some of the graphite with higher cost silicon oxide material.
It's like any of the hundred plus other battery developments. Get excited when they have cost competitive commercial cells, not during the hype filled, finance gobbling development stages.
There’s a big push to get away from lithium ion batteries and switch the chemistry to LFP. I believe this is what BYD and CATL are bragging about with the benefits of higher energy density, better if not 0 loss in sub climate conditions, faster charging time, less damage from level 3 charging. The fact that lithium ion is constantly stating an optimal 20-80% charge is my biggest turn off, plus a 20-30% loss with cold climate. The idea of being hand cuffed with these factors makes the idea of investing into an EV keep me up at night. I’m excited about the Harvester option but I’m bummed that it reduces the battery pack down to a projected 150 miles. It’s early, there’s time to make advancements into a better chemistry for the BEV and BEV with EREV. Scout Motors, please don’t settle for current age battery tech. My wife and I reserved 2 vehicles both with Harvester but I’d like the range to be a bit better on battery alone. There’s always the option (hopefully) to switch out order to BEV only if the range improves, but I like the idea of the Harvester as we are rural. We don’t have a home backup generator and a power outage could hinder my ability to get to work as an essential/critical employee.
Maybe a solid state for the EREV package?
Time will tell but I’m trusting they’ll keep options open. Very excited for this project and vehicle. I had a 97 Silverado with 6” lift and 33’s but had to sell it as my commute was too expensive. With these vehicles in the forecast, I feel as though I can breath again and take back some confidence in the vehicle I drive lol.
Maybe a solid state for the EREV package?
Time will tell but I’m trusting they’ll keep options open. Very excited for this project and vehicle. I had a 97 Silverado with 6” lift and 33’s but had to sell it as my commute was too expensive. With these vehicles in the forecast, I feel as though I can breath again and take back some confidence in the vehicle I drive lol.
VW, throuh PowerCo plans to mass produce solid state batteries. I am sure that initially they will be more expensive, but the tremendous advantages outweigh the higher cost. I will not buy the Scout I have reserved unless it has a solid-state battery, even if it costs more.
