Where are EV chargers needed

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So I’ve pondered this for a bit and with SO MANY discussions around charging availability I figured maybe it’s time to start a thread. As SM is under the VWAG umbrella and VWAG is/has expanded the charging infrastructure in the U.S.-Maybe it’s time to tell VWAG and SM where charging is needed.
This isn’t intended for sarcastic comments like-“in my garage” or “my apartment complex” but in the bigger picture.
As it’s been stated, the fly over states tend to be forgotten. I don’t know the route numbers all over the country but I know the East Coast. We seem to have adequate amounts-more or less.
The intent is as follows:
The stretch between town X and town Y are 600 miles apart. It’s a heavily driven route and having chargers at an intersection of route A and B. OR-between two major intersections where there just isn’t any juice available. Look at it as a way to link a cross country journey and make a non-Harvester SM vehicle with charging only be capable of making it without range anxiety.
If SM and @Jamie@ScoutMotors teams see something like this it may be worth their energy to think about.
This site has members who are a new breed of EV buyer/user and what has kinda worked/grown for 10-15 years may no longer work for our member demographic.
 
Forgive me for inserting a tangent, but I have a question that I’ve been trying to find an answer for and I just haven’t found it discussed as I search around here. It’s probably just me not understanding how it all works or maybe I missed the discussion where it was addressed.

Here’s my question: So Scout Motors has chosen to use the NACS charging port. Great! The part that I can’t seem to get answered is regarding Tesla Superchargers in particular. I’ve seen manufacturers set up deals in the past to use Tesla Superchargers and I’ve seen some manufacturers provide adapters to their customers for Supercharger use. What I have not seen is any discussion around Scout Motors having a deal with Tesla to use Tesla Superchargers.

I’m left to assume that Tesla Superchargers are now available to all vehicles with a NACS charging port or adapter and that all non-Tesla vehicles simply end up paying a higher rate for charging. Is this correct or is there information out there that I am missing? Also, are Tesla vehicles prioritized in any other way at Tesla Superchargers (seems logical)? Or is it first-come, first-served for all? Wait…I believe I saw a picture of one Supercharger location with a few spaces that were painted with “Tesla vehicles only” or something like that. Anyway, thanks in advance to those that can set me straight here.
 
They are probably needed in the more remote trail locations. Certainly on the east coast there are generally enough locations. What is needed is better up time and maintenance of existing chargers and more of them. Tesla seem to do a good job but a lot of EA stations around me are small stations with only 4 stalls and sometimes one or two aren’t working or have limited power. It’s still not too much of an issue but as more people buy EVs it’s going to be a bigger problem.
 
Forgive me for inserting a tangent, but I have a question that I’ve been trying to find an answer for and I just haven’t found it discussed as I search around here. It’s probably just me not understanding how it all works or maybe I missed the discussion where it was addressed.

Here’s my question: So Scout Motors has chosen to use the NACS charging port. Great! The part that I can’t seem to get answered is regarding Tesla Superchargers in particular. I’ve seen manufacturers set up deals in the past to use Tesla Superchargers and I’ve seen some manufacturers provide adapters to their customers for Supercharger use. What I have not seen is any discussion around Scout Motors having a deal with Tesla to use Tesla Superchargers.

I’m left to assume that Tesla Superchargers are now available to all vehicles with a NACS charging port or adapter and that all non-Tesla vehicles simply end up paying a higher rate for charging. Is this correct or is there information out there that I am missing? Also, are Tesla vehicles prioritized in any other way at Tesla Superchargers (seems logical)? Or is it first-come, first-served for all? Wait…I believe I saw a picture of one Supercharger location with a few spaces that were painted with “Tesla vehicles only” or something like that. Anyway, thanks in advance to those that can set me straight here.
They should be available to Scout if they are using NACS. I imagine more third party chargers will have the NACS cables by the time Scout’s are released. Version 2 superchargers are generally not comparable but the later version 3 and now version 4 will be compatible. I’m not certain if all of these will be available to non Teslas or just most of them. Pricing could be different as well but again not certain.
 
They should be available to Scout if they are using NACS. I imagine more third party chargers will have the NACS cables by the time Scout’s are released. Version 2 superchargers are generally not comparable but the later version 3 and now version 4 will be compatible. I’m not certain if all of these will be available to non Teslas or just most of them. Pricing could be different as well but again not certain.
Tesla does charge a different rate for non-Tesla vehicles, last I read it was .48-.55 for compared to .24-.36. Better off charging at non-Tesla chargers (other than possibly version 4 depending on its configuration) if you're in a hurry for now due to maximum charging speeds with an 800-volt system and 350Kw max on the Scout, which is crazy fast, my Kia has the 800-volt system also and most of my fast charging is less then 15 minutes but maxes out at 240Kw.
I know that EA chargers will start having NACS cables shortly.

 
Tesla does charge a different rate for non-Tesla vehicles, last I read it was .48-.55 for compared to .24-.36. Better off charging at non-Tesla chargers (other than possibly version 4 depending on its configuration) if you're in a hurry for now due to maximum charging speeds with an 800-volt system and 350Kw max on the Scout, which is crazy fast, my Kia has the 800-volt system also and most of my fast charging is less then 15 minutes but maxes out at 240Kw.
I know that EA chargers will start having NACS cables shortly.

Thank you!! Very helpful.
 
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NACS does NOT equal Tesla Supercharger access. Don't conflate the two.

Also because Tesla is the predominant NACS fast charging provider in November 2024 does not mean they will be the predominant NACS fast charging provider in 2027. Additionally there are CCS > NACS converters.

Electrify America/EVGo and others will be changing out their connectors to NACS at some point in the future which will negate the need for Tesla's Supercharger network.
 
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NACS does NOT equal Tesla Supercharger access. Don't conflate the two.

Also because Tesla is the predominant NACS fast charging provider in November 2024 does not mean they will be the predominant NACS fast charging provider in 2027. Additionally there are CCS > NACS converters.
Okay that’s what I have been assuming: port doesn’t guarantee access.

It just seems like there’s a thought out there that having the port automatically grants access, which from a business standpoint doesn’t make any sense to me unless the price is higher for non-Tesla vehicles OR there is an agreement in place between the manufacturers.
 
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NACS does NOT equal Tesla Supercharger access. Don't conflate the two.

Also because Tesla is the predominant NACS fast charging provider in November 2024 does not mean they will be the predominant NACS fast charging provider in 2027. Additionally there are CCS > NACS converters.

Electrify America/EVGo and others will be changing out their connectors to NACS at some point in the future which will negate the need for Tesla's Supercharger network.
This change out will also help expand charging but the goal of this thread before it gets totally side tracked is WHERE are chargers needed. If SM has interest in sure their efforts will be set to provide optimum charging for the new Scout vehicles
 
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This change out will also help expand charging but the goal of this thread before it gets totally side tracked is WHERE are chargers needed. If SM has interest in sure their efforts will be set to provide optimum charging for the new Scout vehicles
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So where are more needed. It’s it quantity increase at these locations or additional locations?
Since I don't have an EV right now. I'm not sure how saturated the stations are. If I would have to guess based on how many EVs I see. I'd say probably not overly. But having a few more spread out would be nice. So you don't have to travel 30-40 minutes away to charge up.

I know most people will probably get or say to install your own L2 at home and I probably will, but that like $2-$4k from what I've seen. They gunna be able to tack that onto the car financing? Probably not, so I probably won't be having the home L2 right away.
 
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There are 3 types of Tesla Superchargers:

  1. Tesla-only Superchargers, which only work for Tesla vehicles.
  2. All EVs Superchargers, which are available for all EVs to charge with a “Magic Dock” adapter that is provided at the charging post.
  3. NACS Superchargers, which will become available gradually, by vehicle manufacturer, and can be accessed through an adapter. The adapter for non NACS vehicles may be provided by your vehicle manufacturer. For new vehicles that are NACS-equipped, no adapter will be necessary.
This charger information is readily available on the Tesla app also
 
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There are 3 types of Tesla Superchargers:

  1. Tesla-only Superchargers, which only work for Tesla vehicles.
  2. All EVs Superchargers, which are available for all EVs to charge with a “Magic Dock” adapter that is provided at the charging post.
  3. NACS Superchargers, which will become available gradually, by vehicle manufacturer, and can be accessed through an adapter. The adapter for non NACS vehicles may be provided by your vehicle manufacturer. For new vehicles that are NACS-equipped, no adapter will be necessary.
This charger information is readily available on the Tesla app also
Maybe true now, but by their own post

"It’s always been our ambition to open the Supercharger network to all EVs, and by doing so, encourage more drivers to rapidly transition to an emission-free future."

From my link above, I don't think there will be limitations to access based on car vendor. They stated that they'll start opening them up in Q4. So we're just getting into it. By 2027 I'd imagine there will be no hesitation whether or not the Tesla branded charger will work.

Now will non Teslas pay more, probably. Like how some gas stations have a cash price vs a card price.