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Looked but did not find anything specific yet which makes sense although I'd expect this decision ought to be made soon - what kind of suspension are we expecting - old school static spring/shock setup, adjustable air a la Rivian and others?

If I missed something somewhere let me know.

My preference would be adjustable air as that really seems to provide the best mix of aero, handling and off road capabilities but if a more old school fixed spring setup is part of hitting the cost target I'd be OK with that too.
 
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We are exploring all options right now. Our company is filled with people who have modified off-road and overlanding rigs and are thinking about this, so we are keeping options open, knowing people will want to potentially modify their vehicles (lift kits, uprated shocks/springs, etc.). At the same time, a large percentage of people won't modify their vehicles, and we want to offer a variety of different setups. We will have much more to discuss as we continue developing the vehicles. What we announced at reveal was:

• On-road tuned
• Off-road tuned
• Air springs with active damping
 
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Jamie@ScoutMotors said:
We are exploring all options right now. Our company is filled with people who have modified off-road and overlanding rigs and are thinking about this, so we are keeping options open, knowing people will want to potentially modify their vehicles (lift kits, uprated shocks/springs, etc.). At the same time, a large percentage of people won't modify their vehicles, and we want to offer a variety of different offerings. We will have a lot more to talk about as we continue to develop the vehicles.
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This is exactly what I wanted to hear! Knowing the company is filled with people who have modified off-road and overlanding rigs lets me know that what the off-roading and overlanding communities likes and wants to do with their vehicles will be thought of.

One thing I keep thinking about though....will the air compressor be an option only if equipped with air suspension? I hope that won't be the case. I'd like air suspension however I'm likely going to want to lift it so it would suck to be pigeon holed into air suspension if I want the onboard air compressor.
 
Jamie@ScoutMotors said:
We are exploring all options right now. Our company is filled with people who have modified off-road and overlanding rigs and are thinking about this, so we are keeping options open, knowing people will want to potentially modify their vehicles (lift kits, uprated shocks/springs, etc.). At the same time, a large percentage of people won't modify their vehicles, and we want to offer a variety of different offerings. We will have a lot more to talk about as we continue to develop the vehicles.
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Very cool, nothing like end users being the ones working on the design vs a bunch of engineers who’s idea of off roading is a gravel driveway

I’ve got the Carli/SDI E Click system on my F250 and it’s incredible having the ability to match road conditions to driving style & pushing a 8k pound vehicle across the desert keeping up with Raptors really turned heads after being laughed at for thinking we could hang
 
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Speaking of suspension and Raptors....I have no hopes that the Scouts will be able to keep up with my Raptor in terms of suspension performance while I bomb down the desert roads and blast through sand, but....a girl can dream right?
 
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This is exactly what I wanted to hear! Knowing the company is filled with people who have modified off-road and overlanding rigs lets me know that what the off-roading and overlanding communities likes and wants to do with their vehicles will be thought of.

One thing I keep thinking about though....will the air compressor be an option only if equipped with air suspension? I hope that won't be the case. I'd like air suspension however I'm likely going to want to lift it so it would suck to be pigeon holed into air suspension if I want the onboard air compressor.
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Never had a air suspension before, wonder how reliable they are
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Speaking of suspension and Raptors....I have no hopes that the Scouts will be able to keep up with my Raptor in terms of suspension performance while I bomb down the desert roads and blast through sand, but....a girl can dream right?
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If Scout can run 37”s and hang with Raptors on a desert run (or Baja) that would be incredible and an engineering masterpiece

Wonder if Scout will take their pre production vehicles to Baja as well as Colorado (Ike Gauntlet & Alpine Loop area)
 
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Never had a air suspension before, wonder how reliable they are


If Scout can run 37”s and hang with Raptors on a desert run (or Baja) that would be incredible and an engineering masterpiece

Wonder if Scout will take their pre production vehicles to Baja as well as Colorado (Ike Gauntlet & Alpine Loop area)
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It would be incredible, I would be sold. I love the suspension on my Raptor but I don't have any expectations that Scout can at least match that because it's not a common vehicle and just doesn't sell to the masses. So to not be disappointed I'll just safely assume it won't happen :LOL:.

I hope they take their pre-production vehicles to Baja, Moab (I'd even settle for Sand Hollow) and Colorado trails. I feel like those 3 would be a good test for capabilities. Ike Gauntlet would be phenomenal for towing testing.
 
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Never had a air suspension before, wonder how reliable they are


If Scout can run 37”s and hang with Raptors on a desert run (or Baja) that would be incredible and an engineering masterpiece

Wonder if Scout will take their pre production vehicles to Baja as well as Colorado (Ike Gauntlet & Alpine Loop area)
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I think it’s quite likely that we see the new Scouts in Baja.

In 2023 Scout Motors sponsored a vintage Scout in the race.

See
https://blog.scoutmotors.com/down-but-not-out-racing-a-vintage-scout-terra-in-baja/
 
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I'm willing to lose some frunk space for longer front suspension arms. The more travel, the better.
 
i'd be surprised if its a suspension like Rivian at this price point. possibly more similar to the cybertruck adaptive air suspension to raise/lower/level the vehicle as opposed to the hydraulic roll control that Rivian also has - thats pretty advanced and pricey. i'd expect air springs with active damping as Jamie pointed out to optimize between off/on road performance.
 
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i'd be surprised if its a suspension like Rivian at this price point. possibly more similar to the cybertruck adaptive air suspension to raise/lower/level the vehicle as opposed to the hydraulic roll control that Rivian also has - thats pretty advanced and pricey. i'd expect air springs with active damping as Jamie pointed out to optimize between off/on road performance.
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I’ve seen videos of the EV hummer changing hight to fit bigger tires on it. What kind of suspension is that???
 
Jamie@ScoutMotors said:
We are exploring all options right now. Our company is filled with people who have modified off-road and overlanding rigs and are thinking about this, so we are keeping options open, knowing people will want to potentially modify their vehicles (lift kits, uprated shocks/springs, etc.). At the same time, a large percentage of people won't modify their vehicles, and we want to offer a variety of different setups. We will have much more to discuss as we continue developing the vehicles. What we announced at reveal was:

• On-road tuned
• Off-road tuned
• Air springs with active damping
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Just having feedback like this on a forum makes me like the brand even more.

Thank you for the window into the company's discussions- it sells me even more.
 
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Like the rest of the vehicle, I want simple. Coil springs, standard shocks, short/long A-arm suspension up front. 5-link, coil springs, standard shocks at the rear. If I wanted a soft luxury cruiser that rides like a car, I wouldn't buy something with a solid rear axle!
 
I love the ride and the adjustability with Air in the R1T for a very wide range of conditions on and off-road...

That said, and it least in colder and more extreme climates, owning a vehicle with Air Suspension out of warranty can be costly $$$$.

Also, and as far as really "hard-core" off-road capabilities go, I would err on the side of "the simpler the better". I'm not rock crawling in the Northeast, and I just use my truck for what would be considered light off-road duty on nasty rutted, iced, mudded-up and / or frozen logging and dirt roads, so I'm enjoying my ride with air in the R1T while I am under warranty!

And, no issues with air in the R1T so far, it is by far and away the most comfortable truck I have owned, and I do love having a compressor in the bed of the truck too (esp. as a MTB'er, or for airing the truck up if needed). For reference, I have owned Tacos, Tundras, the original Toyota "truck" before the Tacoma, and a Silverado 2500 HD... The HD only drove well with 3 yards of mulch in the bed of course.
 
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Rampy said:
Never had a air suspension before, wonder how reliable they are


If Scout can run 37”s and hang with Raptors on a desert run (or Baja) that would be incredible and an engineering masterpiece

Wonder if Scout will take their pre production vehicles to Baja as well as Colorado (Ike Gauntlet & Alpine Loop area)
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Land Rover has been doing them for a while and their learning curve has been...painful.

However, their modern EAS systems (since about 2014ish) seem to be much more robust. My 2017 Disco is pushing 100K miles and no issues in any temps, with some pretty hard hits and hard offroading. They did have a pre-emptive recall early on, which replaced a brass valve that could have deteriorated early based on their testing. I've never had an issue.

That said, IMO EAS is great for independent suspension as with LR. Raise the ride height for offroading, with various stages depending on the mode, and it's user-selectable. I've had the automatic system actually lift the vehicle off obstacles which I then cleared. No smashing pumpkins because there's nothing hanging below the underbody, which air suspension cannot remedy with a solid axle.

EAS with solid axles has advantages for loading and unloading, and especially ride quality. EAS ride quality is generally fantastic on any type of suspension. But, the drawbacks are that modification options can be limited.

I would say that an option for multi-mode spool-valve dampers like what the Raptor has would be a great option.
 
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I love the ride and the adjustability with Air in the R1T for a very wide range of conditions on and off-road...

That said, and it least in colder and more extreme climates, owning a vehicle with Air Suspension out of warranty can be costly $$$$.

Also, and as far as really "hard-core" off-road capabilities go, I would err on the side of "the simpler the better". I'm not rock crawling in the Northeast, and I just use my truck for what would be considered light off-road duty on nasty rutted, iced, mudded-up and / or frozen logging and dirt roads, so I'm enjoying my ride with air in the R1T while I am under warranty!

And, no issues with air in the R1T so far, it is by far and away the most comfortable truck I have owned, and I do love having a compressor in the bed of the truck too (esp. as a MTB'er, or for airing the truck up if needed). For reference, I have owned Tacos, Tundras, the original Toyota "truck" before the Tacoma, and a Silverado 2500 HD... The HD only drove well with 3 yards of mulch in the bed of course.
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I really like what I'm seeing about air suspension but it does look like a complex operation and depends on air lines as well as the compressor

Winter conditions as I’ve ranted about are a real concern. When we went to Fort McMurray in January it was brutal road conditions with all kinds of road slush freezing up on the suspension & causing problems & that was on pavement & gravel roads
 
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