Scout concepts on Jay Leno’s Garage

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Things that were discussed:
1). Harvester gas tank will be around 15 gallons
2). Lower Harvester towing rating, around 5,000 lbs. This will be a big disappointment for some.
3). The body is steel and aluminum.
4). Air suspension is optional
5). NMC battery for BEV, LFP battery for EREV.
Also battery size. 120-130kw for BEV. Half that for EREV. That implies 2.75miles/kw efficiency.
 
First off, I do hope they change that road noise. It sounded like gear noise - the same noise I got on my Jeep before I had to do a $2k repair to the rear axle. Jay mentions at 18:10 that it is a test mule - the gear noise will be addressed during development. Jamie did not comment on Jay's observation. Jay mentions the gear whine again at 26 minutes - don't judge the car by the whine, it's a test mule. Must be annoying as hell though...

I am still going through the video, but "Steady State" might be part of the issue. They want the Harvester to provide enough electricity to maintain a steady state at 70mph. Hook up a trailer, and the amount of energy to tow at 70mph probably doubles. If the Harvester can not provide that level of power, there will be no steady state (you will be draining the battery). At some point, they could partially address this in software - They are already planning a mode that starts the Harvester early for performance. They would just need to see what it can handle and for how many miles. Perhaps you could get 7-8k of towing if you plan ahead and accept you are towing with an EV with a range extender - that will still need periodic charging during the trip (as opposed to just adding gas and keep driving).
It’s my understanding from what they said in the video that that noise is just because it’s a prototype and the real vehicle won’t sound that way. They stated in the video it wasn’t street legal because it didn’t even have working seat belts.
 
This isn't indicative of how our production vehicles will sound at all.

So you're saying Fratzonic has a chance?

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Power density is also affected by chemistry, and a host of other characteristics, it’s not just capacity and charging speed.

Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP): Known for its safety, long cycle life, and thermal stability, LFP batteries
are widely used in electric buses and lower-cost EVs. Companies like BYD and Tesla have adopted LFP
batteries for their lower-end models.

Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide (NMC): These batteries offer higher energy density and are
used in long-range EVs, such as the Tesla Model S and the Chevrolet Bolt. NMC batteries balance
energy density, longevity, and cost, making them popular in passenger vehicles.

LFP Advantages: Safer due to thermal stability, longer lifespan, lower cost.

LFP Disadvantages: Lower energy density compared to NMC.

NMC Advantages: Higher energy density, better performance in cold climates.

NMC Disadvantages: Higher cost, potential supply chain issues due to cobalt.
 
It’s my understanding from what they said in the video that that noise is just because it’s a prototype and the real vehicle won’t sound that way. They stated in the video it wasn’t street legal because it didn’t even have working seat belts.
Quite honestly I was impressed how fast and far that prototype went. If they drive at all, these kinds of prototypes are usually glorified golf carts with just enough juice to move it around an expo center and onto a truck for shipping.
 
Quite honestly I was impressed how fast and far that prototype went. If they drive at all, these kinds of prototypes are usually glorified golf carts with just enough juice to move it around an expo center and onto a truck for shipping.
15mph top speed yesterday from what Scott said in the video. Thats enough to hit someone and make them fall over. So not bad speed for a prototype.
 
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Getting closer to production, I hope that towing is nailed down better. I live at 6500 ft. and have to travel up and over passes to get anywhere from our town. Going west to Utah is the only slight grade but some killer hills. I want to be able to tow a RV so hopefully power drop is not to bad and capacity stays around 5000.
 
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Getting closer to production, I hope that towing is nailed down better. I live at 6500 ft. and have to travel up and over passes to get anywhere from our town. Going west to Utah is the only slight grade but some killer hills. I want to be able to tow a RV so hopefully power drop is not to bad and capacity stays around 5000.
I mean I might be correct, but considering the motor is just a generator and not being used to drive the wheels you might not see a power drop at all due to elevation (it just might charge slower so your range would be lower)?
 
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I mean I might be correct, but considering the motor is just a generator and not being used to drive the wheels you might not see a power drop at all due to elevation (it just might charge slower so your range would be lower)?
That is correct. Scott & Jay talked about that situation on the video. All the torque all the time. However, depending on the grade the generator will be running as needed. P.S. The generator runs at the same speed all the time.
 
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Let's wait and see what the final tow numbers end up being. This is still fluid and the teams are still optimizing a number of things.

@chucchinchilla the current mules testing don't look like Audi Q6 e-trons. It is pretty hard to hide the big frame rails under anything VW Group makes (well except maybe the Crafter!).

Lastly, it is unfortunate that the concept vehicles are noisier than we like, but that is a direct result of the very basic drivetrain designed to move them on and off trucks and onto a show stand/display area. This isn't indicative of how our production vehicles will sound at all. Just to clarify.
do you envision the Terra (Harvester) being able to tow more than the traveler (Harvester)?. I added harvester to both to clarify the truck and SUV version. Thanks in advance.
 
When it comes to towing all I really care about is this

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Specifically the ability to tow my 1967 Bus or 1963 356 on a U-Haul trailer to shows/shops/etc. The good news is when I input a Rivian R1S tow vehicle with a hitch system rating of 5,000 lbs it accepts this combination, however it does not at 4,500 lbs so I guess 5K is my bare minimum.
 
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