Scout concepts on Jay Leno’s Garage

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Nuggets I picked up on..
  • Harvester is 4 cylinder not 3
    • 15 gallon tank
  • Towing capacity
    • Terra EV: 10K lbs
    • Traveler EV: 7K lbs
    • Harvester: 5K lbs
  • Steel body but aluminum thrown in to lighten it. Probably like my A6 where it has aluminum fenders and doors on a steel body.
  • Door handles have grab handles but appears to have electronic button on the backside to trigger unlatch. Hopefully that system has improved over ID.4.
  • Batteries
    • Nickel magnesium cobalt for EV
    • LFP battery for Harvester (note that means you can safely charge to 100%)
  • Solid axle on rear
  • Traveler has roof rack that allows enough space for ragtop to open underneath, solid and glass roof also available
  • Prototype mules do exist and are being run. IMO it's the jacked up Audi Q6 E-Trons that have been spotted.
  • On Harvester, although less efficient, you can skip plugging it in and just use gas.
  • Charge rate is 350kWh
  • Air suspension is OPTIONAL which is great. I'll pass on air due to durability.
  • Detox mode shuts off screen. Nice.
  • Jay is a Shinola guy, so is Scott
    • Why not do some sort of co-branded stuff?
  • Generator mode (my #1 ask)
    • 240V outlet on the car so you can charge anything
      • Scout people, yes camping is cool but powering your home when the power goes out is real world practical stuff
  • Like in Volt, if gas gets old in Harvester it'll kick on the engine to burn it off.
  • 4 wheel discs which is a departure from VW ethos
I think a series of watches with leather bands to match the interiors-that would be cool!
 
Everyone Jumps to conclusions and starts to drop their reservations, instead of saying it's still only in concept form, testing is still happening, R&D is still going on a lot could change in 1 1/2ish years.
Sadly Jay actually did say that but to your point I agree-people continue reacting rather than asking questions and educating themselves
 
Let's wait and see what the final tow numbers end up being. This is still fluid and the teams are still optimizing a number of things.

@chucchinchilla the current mules testing don't look like Audi Q6 e-trons. It is pretty hard to hide the big frame rails under anything VW Group makes (well except maybe the Crafter!).

Lastly, it is unfortunate that the concept vehicles are noisier than we like, but that is a direct result of the very basic drivetrain designed to move them on and off trucks and onto a show stand/display area. This isn't indicative of how our production vehicles will sound at all. Just to clarify.
Thanks Jamie, I'll be keeping my eyes peeled. Of course if they're looking for volunteers for feedback and have vehicles in the Bay Area, hit me up. ;)
 
Sadly Jay actually did say that but to your point I agree-people continue reacting rather than asking questions and educating themselves
It’s sadly because of the world we live in everyone wants everything NOW. When in reality nothing comes instantly especially in the car industry. Some people can’t get it through their heads.
 
After watching this video multiple times, I still have so many questions about how the Harvester will function.

If the BEV gets 10,000lbs and 7500lbs of towing. What changes on the Harvester? If the primary use of generator is only charging the battery and it doesn't connect to the Drive train, shouldn't you still have the same Torque and HP of the BEV, right? Can someone help make sense of this? What am I missing?

I understand weight is added with the tank and engine but is that much more that it takes away from the towing capabilities?

It doesn't really matter to me either way, As I'm probably not going to be towing. I am just trying to understand how it all works.
 
After watching this video multiple times, I still have so many questions about how the Harvester will function.

If the BEV gets 10,000lbs and 7500lbs of towing. What changes on the Harvester? If the primary use of generator is only charging the battery and it doesn't connect to the Drive train, shouldn't you still have the same Torque and HP of the BEV, right? Can someone help make sense of this? What am I missing?

I understand weight is added with the tank and engine but is that much more that it takes away from the towing capabilities?

It doesn't really matter to me either way, As I'm probably not going to be towing. I am just trying to understand how it all works.
Battery Chemistry is also a huge part of performance. Which the BEV will be using a more expensive battery chemistry called NMC while the Harvester will be using a less expensive battery chemistry called LFP.
 
Everyone Jumps to conclusions and starts to drop their reservations, instead of saying it's still only in concept form, testing is still happening, R&D is still going on a lot could change in 1 1/2ish years.
Lol...

Not EV Range Anxiety (EVRA), but EV Tow Capacity Panic Attack (EVTCPA)

The EVTCPA cure is an IH eMV


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Battery Chemistry is also a huge part of performance. Which the BEV will be using a more expensive battery chemistry called NMC while the Harvester will be using a less expensive battery chemistry called LFP.
Yeah I understand that. But does LFP battery really suffer over NMC? Does the rate of how fast or how much the Battery is discharging really make any difference if the Motors that are driving the vehicle are the same?
 
Towing capacity is affected by many things. Tow vehicle weight, center of gravity, wheelbase, axles, springs, brakes, etc. A certain percentage of the trailer weight also must be applied to the hitch for stability. I suspect that the Harvester (or battery) weight cantilevered over the rear is part of this. The entire loaded tow rig cruising at 70mph with Harvester keeping up is another consideration.
Remember, nearly all of the engineering R&D is being done in Novi Michigan. Test mules will be there and on a rented proving ground.
Also, remember that the official advertised maximum tow capacity of a Scout II was 5000 pounds. That was in a vehicle 70-inches wide, with a 100-inch wheelbase and an empty curb weight of around 3800 pounds (even with the heavy IH V8). I personally used my 73 Scout II to carefully tow a 5500-pound trailer; and I know of many that hauled around a horse trailer that exceeded that. It was not unlike driving in the snow.
 
Let's wait and see what the final tow numbers end up being. This is still fluid and the teams are still optimizing a number of things.

@chucchinchilla the current mules testing don't look like Audi Q6 e-trons. It is pretty hard to hide the big frame rails under anything VW Group makes (well except maybe the Crafter!).

Lastly, it is unfortunate that the concept vehicles are noisier than we like, but that is a direct result of the very basic drivetrain designed to move them on and off trucks and onto a show stand/display area. This isn't indicative of how our production vehicles will sound at all. Just to clarify.
Are the concept vehicles quieter than a jeep or a bronco....probably...lol
 
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Yeah I understand that. But does LFP battery really suffer over NMC? Does the rate of how fast or how much the Battery is discharging really make any difference if the Motors that are driving the vehicle are the same?
Yes since a lower discharge rate for LFP which equals less power output. Compared to NMC which has more discharge rate giving off more power output.

And Motors are Motors, It’s like a upscaled RC car. NIMH battery have less output rate than a LiPo battery. That why LiPo batteries are used for RC racing.
 
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Towing capacity is affected by many things. Tow vehicle weight, center of gravity, wheelbase, axles, springs, brakes, etc. A certain percentage of the trailer weight also must be applied to the hitch for stability. I suspect that the Harvester (or battery) weight cantilevered over the rear is part of this. The entire loaded tow rig cruising at 70mph with Harvester keeping up is another consideration.
Remember, nearly all of the engineering R&D is being done in Novi Michigan. Test mules will be there and on a rented proving ground.
Also, remember that the official advertised maximum tow capacity of a Scout II was 5000 pounds. That was in a vehicle 70-inches wide, with a 100-inch wheelbase and an empty curb weight of around 3800 pounds (even with the heavy IH V8). I personally used my 73 Scout II to carefully tow a 5500-pound trailer; and I know of many that hauled around a horse trailer that exceeded that. It was not unlike driving in the snow.
And we have to remember that these numbers aren’t set in stone yet. So they can easily change.
 
I was hoping the tow rating would be better with the Harvester but in reality I won't be towing over 4k like in my current Maverick...
 
I thought the same thing! I have a Clear Lidz on my Wrangler. My son was trying to talk to me from the back seat this weekend when we were on the freeway. He had to lean forward and yell!
Remember the battery in these vehicles right now are intended to load/unload, low speed moving for video production and running the power components. Just a shame they didn’t note that very clearly so the less educated don’t trash it. Like running a 1982 4-cylinder honda civic over the Rocky Mountains-it’s gonna whine