I heard that as well. Interesting. Just can't imagine after 150 miles of EV (75 if towing) the Harvester kicks in and can charge fast enough to power a 8k pound truck towing a 7k trailer at hyway speeds for another 350/2= 175 miles. I am not an engineer but I am predicting the only way towing will work with Harvester is if it kicks in from the get go.
Scout concepts on Jay Leno’s Garage
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Even if the towing capacity is 7,500lbs i think people will be okay with it. But 5,000lbs is a large drop.
Not like towing is a big thing for me. It will have a small boat on it and beach chairs on the inside.
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I was so happy to see it on the road!
It’s just so pretty! I love love the interior and every time I see a new picture or video it just makes me want it even more.
So nice seeing it move under its own power. People in the comments seem to not understand that the powertrain in the concept is small and its used to move it around on and off the car hauler. They all are complaining about the gear whine. It looked like it was still hauling ass on that roadway probably at-least 35-50 mph
Honestly the current spec of the Traveler mule they have (minus the cabana top) is exactly what I want (unless the other colors are gorgeous)
Maybe the extra weight of the gas engine on the rear frame/axle?
Anyone else have an idea?
That its chemistry is different from the BEV. And we don’t know what the output the Harvester is generating for the battery and motors.
Nuggets I picked up on..
- Harvester is 4 cylinder not 3
- 15 gallon tank
- Towing capacity
- Terra EV: 10K lbs
- Traveler EV: 7K lbs
- Harvester: 5K lbs
- Steel body but aluminum thrown in to lighten it. Probably like my A6 where it has aluminum fenders and doors on a steel body.
- Door handles have grab handles but appears to have electronic button on the backside to trigger unlatch. Hopefully that system has improved over ID.4.
- Batteries
- Nickel magnesium cobalt for EV
- LFP battery for Harvester (note that means you can safely charge to 100%)
- Solid axle on rear
- Traveler has roof rack that allows enough space for ragtop to open underneath, solid and glass roof also available
- Prototype mules do exist and are being run. IMO it's the jacked up Audi Q6 E-Trons that have been spotted.
- On Harvester, although less efficient, you can skip plugging it in and just use gas.
- Charge rate is 350kWh
- Air suspension is OPTIONAL which is great. I'll pass on air due to durability.
- Detox mode shuts off screen. Nice.
- Jay is a Shinola guy, so is Scott
- Why not do some sort of co-branded stuff?
- Generator mode (my #1 ask)
- 240V outlet on the car so you can charge anything
- Scout people, yes camping is cool but powering your home when the power goes out is real world practical stuff
- 240V outlet on the car so you can charge anything
- Like in Volt, if gas gets old in Harvester it'll kick on the engine to burn it off.
- 4 wheel discs which is a departure from VW ethos
It's probably the same reason the Harvester is slower. LFP batteries discharge slower and aren't as energy-dense as NMC. I'm not an engineer. I don't know how the weight of the Harvester and 15 gallons of fuel compares to a full battery pack, but it likely isn't thousands of pounds. It must be battery-related. Perhaps solid-state batteries in the future will allow the towing capacity to rise.
I hope @Jamie@ScoutMotors can clarify on the '5k for towing' remark.
I genuinely expect 2k to just be removed from the topline tow capacity number. Makes engineering sense for Traveler to go 7k->5k and Terra 10k->8k. You put a heavy motor aft of the rear axle, you're eating X% of the tow capacity (notably the strain on the rear axle).
But cutting 10k -> 5k while the other vehicle only cuts 7k -> 5k? That just doesn't make sense.
I genuinely expect 2k to just be removed from the topline tow capacity number. Makes engineering sense for Traveler to go 7k->5k and Terra 10k->8k. You put a heavy motor aft of the rear axle, you're eating X% of the tow capacity (notably the strain on the rear axle).
But cutting 10k -> 5k while the other vehicle only cuts 7k -> 5k? That just doesn't make sense.
Let's wait and see what the final tow numbers end up being. This is still fluid and the teams are still optimizing a number of things.
@chucchinchilla the current mules testing don't look like Audi Q6 e-trons. It is pretty hard to hide the big frame rails under anything VW Group makes (well except maybe the Crafter!).
Lastly, it is unfortunate that the concept vehicles are noisier than we like, but that is a direct result of the very basic drivetrain designed to move them on and off trucks and onto a show stand/display area. This isn't indicative of how our production vehicles will sound at all. Just to clarify.
@chucchinchilla the current mules testing don't look like Audi Q6 e-trons. It is pretty hard to hide the big frame rails under anything VW Group makes (well except maybe the Crafter!).
Lastly, it is unfortunate that the concept vehicles are noisier than we like, but that is a direct result of the very basic drivetrain designed to move them on and off trucks and onto a show stand/display area. This isn't indicative of how our production vehicles will sound at all. Just to clarify.
Thank you Jamie! for the a clarification of the question we had!
Everything Scott says gets analyzed like the Zapruder film. You have to love the enthusiasm of the future Scout owners!
Just watched Jay Leno's Garage on YouTube where he got his first look at the new Scout offerings
. One thing confused me as I watched. At around the 5:05 mark Jay asked about towing capacity. The answer was 10,000 lbs for the EV version Terra and "5,000 lbs for the range extender." Did I hear that right? Does the Terra w/ the range extender only have a 5,000 lbs towing capacity? If so, that's a deal breaker for me. What did everyone else understand?
Thank you so much Jamie for always being so on top of things and responding to us so quickly. It’s also speaks highly to the type of customer service we can expect from Scout and is very reassuring.
We're all too damned excited! These are my people
Well yes. I work in quality so there are certain things that get flagged when it catches my attention and needs additional clarification.
Everyone Jumps to conclusions and starts to drop their reservations, instead of saying it's still only in concept form, testing is still happening, R&D is still going on a lot could change in 1 1/2ish years.
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