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EVs have been known to be weaker in off road capability than their ICE counterparts in several areas, as a result of battery costs, increased weight, breakover angle limits and the relatively new concept limited beam eAxle technology available today. If you want to build what off road enthusiasts want, and you desire to separate yourselves from the Rivian, Ford, Tesla and Hummer EV lineups, then place emphasis on true off road content, well integrated with EV technology. Do not try to replace proven hardware with "fancy" software such as what GM has attempted to do with their "virtual locker" joke at the rear axle of their tri-motor setup. A combination of legacy hardware with the advanced controls and electric motor precision offered today would make an unstoppable vehicle. A halo product of sorts, from which less capable trim levels can be derived.

- Highly configurable by the aftermarket and SEMA community
- Good articulation and static ground clearance angles
- Adequate torque at each axle, since there is no transfer case to instantly send torque to axle with grip (in other words, it is not about 0-60 MPH times when all 4 wheels have grip....)
- Implement locking differentials at front and rear
- Achieve skid torque at either axle either via 2 speed gearing, or performance oriented final drive ratios
- Provide utmost cooling to prevent derate at motors in tough stall conditions such as during rock climbs
- Offer flexible drive mode options tailored to terrain
- Offer unique software features that are successfully implemented on BEVs to exploit their capabilities beyond ICE
- Easy suspension and steering upgrades that a customer can DIY
- A confident and highly developed brake traction control system not borrowed from ICE, but made unique for EVs to work directly with motor controls
- A tire lineup oriented toward traction and not range, in an industry standard size (35, 37" etc)

Build a modern version of this, with a trim level comparable to Bronco Sasquatch, but as an EV, and you will crush your competition. I would consider it unwise to rely on European "experts" to support an American off road culture. Build a core team that understands things like San Felipe 250, King of the Hammers, Johnson Valley, Anza-Borrego Park, Moab and many other iconic locations across the country.
 

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With an ideal brake-based traction control system, wouldn't locking differentials be redundant? I mostly drive older cars with physical LSDs, so I don't know the shortcomings of brake-based torque biasing firsthand, but I'm excited that you could theoretically outperform a locker or helical diff with electronics - which is what excited me about electric cars in the first place.
 
Not a correct statement. Brake traction control systems can only bias a portion of available Powertrain torque due to physics of differentisls. A locker bypasses the differential and can double torque at a single wheel. Further, traction control systems are reactionary relying on slip to deliver to a target biasing speed. Lockers are preemptive and greatly reduce dependence on control algorithms that are far from ideal. There’s no substitute for a locker in more extreme off road conditions, especially when one wheel is off the ground. Period. Even an lsd is a positive influence and works well when developed WITH traction control as it acts as a rotational damper.

I welcome you to attend my drivetrain physics seminar at the IH Scout and All Truck Nationals this June in Springfield OH where I go through these topics in great detail.
 
EVs have been known to be weaker in off road capability than their ICE counterparts in several areas, as a result of battery costs, increased weight, breakover angle limits and the relatively new concept limited beam eAxle technology available today. If you want to build what off road enthusiasts want, and you desire to separate yourselves from the Rivian, Ford, Tesla and Hummer EV lineups, then place emphasis on true off road content, well integrated with EV technology. Do not try to replace proven hardware with "fancy" software such as what GM has attempted to do with their "virtual locker" joke at the rear axle of their tri-motor setup. A combination of legacy hardware with the advanced controls and electric motor precision offered today would make an unstoppable vehicle. A halo product of sorts, from which less capable trim levels can be derived.

- Highly configurable by the aftermarket and SEMA community
- Good articulation and static ground clearance angles
- Adequate torque at each axle, since there is no transfer case to instantly send torque to axle with grip (in other words, it is not about 0-60 MPH times when all 4 wheels have grip....)
- Implement locking differentials at front and rear
- Achieve skid torque at either axle either via 2 speed gearing, or performance oriented final drive ratios
- Provide utmost cooling to prevent derate at motors in tough stall conditions such as during rock climbs
- Offer flexible drive mode options tailored to terrain
- Offer unique software features that are successfully implemented on BEVs to exploit their capabilities beyond ICE
- Easy suspension and steering upgrades that a customer can DIY
- A confident and highly developed brake traction control system not borrowed from ICE, but made unique for EVs to work directly with motor controls
- A tire lineup oriented toward traction and not range, in an industry standard size (35, 37" etc)

Build a modern version of this, with a trim level comparable to Bronco Sasquatch, but as an EV, and you will crush your competition. I would consider it unwise to rely on European "experts" to support an American off road culture. Build a core team that understands things like San Felipe 250, King of the Hammers, Johnson Valley, Anza-Borrego Park, Moab and many other iconic locations across the country.
The bronco sasquatch comparison, and the additional cooling for rock climbs are great points.
 
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The bronco sasquatch comparison, and the additional cooling for rock climbs are great points.
I think this is great. I would ask that the technology be an option though as many of us won’t be doing hardcore rock crawling. I think this again adds value to the idea that the Scouts need to be very customizable to fit the primary uses of the Scout. Be it rocks, trails, beach or mall being flexible to buyers will be key to great sales albeit more difficult for the sales side of things