EV Training Vehicle - Ioniq5

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OK, for what it's worth:

Background: I live just outside of Denver, and learned to drive in my dad's '77 SSII, and very excited to have reservations for both a Traveler and a Terra - will decide truck or SUV when the time comes. Clicked the box for the Harvester Option on both - primarily due to two reasons: 1) very easy to get into long drives very quickly in Colorado, and not sure about charger infrastructure and 2) have never owned an EV or even a hybrid.

So both reasons really are one reason: range anxiety.

Currently driving a '13 Xterra Pro-4X, so my "comfort level" is 270-300 miles of range @ 15-16 mpg, a little bit higher on the highway, so used to dropping $50-$75 on fuel at a time.

On a whim, my wife and I leased a Hyundai Ioniq5 last week - there were some great year end incentives in Colorado, from Hyundai, the federal government and the state. We figured it would be a relatively low cost way to test our appetite for a full EV situation. Lease came with 2 years of free charging at Electrify America, which happen to be at our local Target, where we are 1-2 times per week anyway.

So, one week in, here's what I've learned, hopefully it's helpful to other people who have similar anxiety issues.

tldr: EV driving requires a bit of a mind-set change, but if things continue like the first week, I'll probably end up cancelling my Harvester option.

So: This is not a Hyundai review, but holy cow - after 250 miles of driving I kind of wish we'd spent a little more and got the limited package (we went with the SEL, because "this is only a test..."). I love this little car. On "eco" mode its faster (seat of the pants-o-meter) than my wife's Infiniti QX30, which was a seriously quick car. On Sport Mode? Almost terrifying. I am really going to love electric power.

As for the range? I'm only one charge in, and we are in the worst time of year for an EV, I don't think we've turned the seat or steering wheel heaters off since we took the car home, and because it's still a new toy I'm utilizing Sport mode quite a bit more than I will once it's just the "car" and not "the new car". But we got just over 200 miles, including a couple airport trips in the cold, so 75+mph, and went from 90% to 7%. I plugged it into the free-to-me charger (figuring that out the first time took a couple tries, but I got it) and went into Target, got a coffee and did the grocery shopping.

in 36 minutes, the car went from 7% to just over 80%, at what would have been $36 but was covered under our 2 year deal, and continued on with my weekend.

In normal life, thanks to working from home, we don't drive over 200 miles in a typical week anyway.

So here's my first mind-set change: Rather than look at the fuel gauge every time I get in the car, and find a station if its 1/4 or less, I'm just going to hit Target on Saturday mornings while I grocery shop and stop worrying about it. For us, that's very little change in practical terms, just learning a different way to think about fuel. I wake up early and tend to do the grocery shopping anyway, so in a lot of ways it's more convenient than making a stop at the pumps at random times.

Second mindset change: as I've seen in other threads on this board, rather than wait until the batteries are nearly empty, more of an "opportunity" mindset is needed. Hitting target because we're out of papertowels? 10 minutes on the charger will add about 30-45 seconds to my errand, and some power is better than none.

Third mindset change: I've watched a couple (OK, more than a few) videos on youtube about this - can't wait for the summer to do some weekend trips to the mountains, and rather than choose a destination and find fuel on the way, we'll choose a destination and utilize the charger finding options that are built into the car and charger apps. 200 miles between breaks is enough, hopefully my days of 900+ mile drives are behind me anyway.

I'm looking forward to seeing if this really changes our experience, or just adjusts part of it. Obviously Alpine Loop type trips will still be in the Xterra for now, but as chargers hopefully continue to multiply between now and 2-3 years from now, that could change.

That's it - hopefully this is helpful for some people in a similar situation.
 
The ability to charge at home is really a game changer, but with 2 years of free charging, I can see no rush in making that investment (yet).

Having solar on your roof makes home charging a no brainer too. I think if more people tip-toed into the EV water, we would see more pure electric reservations... Pure EV makes it really hard to go back to gas - I would have a hard time going back to a gas truck.
 
The ability to charge at home is really a game changer, but with 2 years of free charging, I can see no rush in making that investment (yet).

Having solar on your roof makes home charging a no brainer too. I think if more people tip-toed into the EV water, we would see more pure electric reservations... Pure EV makes it really hard to go back to gas - I would have a hard time going back to a gas truck.
Yeah, the panels are on the roof and over-producing, so I'm looking forward to putting some of that into the car - but it requires a new panel, so the whole project will cost more than the 2 year car lease - so no big rush while charging is free, just want it done before the Scout gets here.
 
Yeah, the panels are on the roof and over-producing, so I'm looking forward to putting some of that into the car - but it requires a new panel, so the whole project will cost more than the 2 year car lease - so no big rush while charging is free, just want it done before the Scout gets here.
Did you get a 120V "mobile" charger with your lease? If so, there's zero reason not to use it while you're parked at home. Yes, it's "slow," but if the car is sitting doing nothing, you might as well be charging it. If you didn't get one, you can find one for less than $250 and use that. It's also good to carry it with you on trips, just in case.
 
Did you get a 120V "mobile" charger with your lease? If so, there's zero reason not to use it while you're parked at home. Yes, it's "slow," but if the car is sitting doing nothing, you might as well be charging it. If you didn't get one, you can find one for less than $250 and use that. It's also good to carry it with you on trips, just in case.

Yeah, I'd be surprised if they didn't include the level 1 charger? But... perhaps not?

I have a Level 2 charger at home, despite only owning a PHEV (which, I'd argue makes more of a difference with a PHEV, but I digress). I leave the level 1 charger in the vehicle for road trips, and have definitely used it. Its harder to use at places like hotels, but if you're ever visiting family/friends with a real garage/driveway, its pretty easy to find a 120v outlet within reach.

A level 1 charger at home can add something like ~3 miles of range per hour to the vehicle. Its slow... but if the car is sitting for ~12-18 hours at a time, thats some decent range.

I have a co-worker locally who has owned 2 EV's for a few years, yet only a few months ago finally got a Level 2 charger at home. Prior to that he did like 80-90% of his charging on the level 1 chargers (he has a Model Y, and a Ford F150 Lightning).
 
Yeah, I'd be surprised if they didn't include the level 1 charger? But... perhaps not?

I have a Level 2 charger at home, despite only owning a PHEV (which, I'd argue makes more of a difference with a PHEV, but I digress). I leave the level 1 charger in the vehicle for road trips, and have definitely used it. Its harder to use at places like hotels, but if you're ever visiting family/friends with a real garage/driveway, its pretty easy to find a 120v outlet within reach.

A level 1 charger at home can add something like ~3 miles of range per hour to the vehicle. Its slow... but if the car is sitting for ~12-18 hours at a time, thats some decent range.

I have a co-worker locally who has owned 2 EV's for a few years, yet only a few months ago finally got a Level 2 charger at home. Prior to that he did like 80-90% of his charging on the level 1 chargers (he has a Model Y, and a Ford F150 Lightning).
Yeah. When I do my semi-regular road trip to the Los Angeles valley (about 1100 miles round trip), I often charge on Level 1 for the several days I'm there. It's not "perfect" (whatever that means) but it can take me from 50% to 100% in a few days of minimal driving.

When we moved, we took the L2 charger with us but I didn't make the time to install it for more than a year. We lived with L1 that entire time, including through the snowiest winter we'd seen in years (12 feet of snow total). It did just fine for us. We never went to a local DCFC either. We definitely do appreciate the L2 charging over L1 charging, but L1 is possible in many cases.
 
We also own an Ionic 5, and also love it. However, I will tell you if you're looking to do a highway trip, the car range estimate is nowhere near reliable. I believe this to be consistent among EVs based on what I've read. I'm not saying anything new but highway commutes of significant distance and towing are not pure BEV strong suits. Ours is rated to be capable of 303 miles. While that may be true around town, we wouldn't have made it 200 on our highway trip last weekend... When we left, according to car projections, I should have been able to make my trip with over 120 miles to spare.

Hoping future technology will result in more accurate estimates and consistent battery discharge. Whether it does or doesn't, I'm opting for the harvester, personally.

It all depends on what an individual intends to use their BEV/EREV for... I'm not implying there is a right answer.
 
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We also own an Ionic 5, and also love it. However, I will tell you if you're looking to do a highway trip, the car range estimate is nowhere near reliable. I believe this to be consistent among EVs based on what I've read. I'm not saying anything new but highway commutes of significant distance and towing are not pure BEV strong suits. Ours is rated to be capable of 303 miles. While that may be true around town, we wouldn't have made it 200 on our highway trip last weekend... When we left, according to car projections, I should have been able to make my trip with over 120 miles to spare.

Hoping future technology will result in more accurate estimates and consistent battery discharge. Whether it does or doesn't, I'm opting for the harvester, personally.

It all depends on what an individual intends to use their BEV/EREV for... I'm not implying there is a right answer.
Losing 1/3 of your projected range on a drive does not sound normal. Have you inquired with service? Do you see this in moderate temps?

I will say that Rivian has done an excellent job with its estimates, but I do take a hit in bitter cold (sub-freezing) temps, but not like that. It's also much better to pre-condition if cold to maximize range, so i am now sure to do that before longer winter trips, and plan accordingly.
 
OK, for what it's worth:

Background: I live just outside of Denver, and learned to drive in my dad's '77 SSII, and very excited to have reservations for both a Traveler and a Terra - will decide truck or SUV when the time comes. Clicked the box for the Harvester Option on both - primarily due to two reasons: 1) very easy to get into long drives very quickly in Colorado, and not sure about charger infrastructure and 2) have never owned an EV or even a hybrid.

So both reasons really are one reason: range anxiety.

Currently driving a '13 Xterra Pro-4X, so my "comfort level" is 270-300 miles of range @ 15-16 mpg, a little bit higher on the highway, so used to dropping $50-$75 on fuel at a time.

On a whim, my wife and I leased a Hyundai Ioniq5 last week - there were some great year end incentives in Colorado, from Hyundai, the federal government and the state. We figured it would be a relatively low cost way to test our appetite for a full EV situation. Lease came with 2 years of free charging at Electrify America, which happen to be at our local Target, where we are 1-2 times per week anyway.

So, one week in, here's what I've learned, hopefully it's helpful to other people who have similar anxiety issues.

tldr: EV driving requires a bit of a mind-set change, but if things continue like the first week, I'll probably end up cancelling my Harvester option.

So: This is not a Hyundai review, but holy cow - after 250 miles of driving I kind of wish we'd spent a little more and got the limited package (we went with the SEL, because "this is only a test..."). I love this little car. On "eco" mode its faster (seat of the pants-o-meter) than my wife's Infiniti QX30, which was a seriously quick car. On Sport Mode? Almost terrifying. I am really going to love electric power.

As for the range? I'm only one charge in, and we are in the worst time of year for an EV, I don't think we've turned the seat or steering wheel heaters off since we took the car home, and because it's still a new toy I'm utilizing Sport mode quite a bit more than I will once it's just the "car" and not "the new car". But we got just over 200 miles, including a couple airport trips in the cold, so 75+mph, and went from 90% to 7%. I plugged it into the free-to-me charger (figuring that out the first time took a couple tries, but I got it) and went into Target, got a coffee and did the grocery shopping.

in 36 minutes, the car went from 7% to just over 80%, at what would have been $36 but was covered under our 2 year deal, and continued on with my weekend.

In normal life, thanks to working from home, we don't drive over 200 miles in a typical week anyway.

So here's my first mind-set change: Rather than look at the fuel gauge every time I get in the car, and find a station if its 1/4 or less, I'm just going to hit Target on Saturday mornings while I grocery shop and stop worrying about it. For us, that's very little change in practical terms, just learning a different way to think about fuel. I wake up early and tend to do the grocery shopping anyway, so in a lot of ways it's more convenient than making a stop at the pumps at random times.

Second mindset change: as I've seen in other threads on this board, rather than wait until the batteries are nearly empty, more of an "opportunity" mindset is needed. Hitting target because we're out of papertowels? 10 minutes on the charger will add about 30-45 seconds to my errand, and some power is better than none.

Third mindset change: I've watched a couple (OK, more than a few) videos on youtube about this - can't wait for the summer to do some weekend trips to the mountains, and rather than choose a destination and find fuel on the way, we'll choose a destination and utilize the charger finding options that are built into the car and charger apps. 200 miles between breaks is enough, hopefully my days of 900+ mile drives are behind me anyway.

I'm looking forward to seeing if this really changes our experience, or just adjusts part of it. Obviously Alpine Loop type trips will still be in the Xterra for now, but as chargers hopefully continue to multiply between now and 2-3 years from now, that could change.

That's it - hopefully this is helpful for some people in a similar situation.
Can you throw this article on the thread “we own EVs, ask us anything”. Would be great to track your experiences if you continue to share. I love these stories. As noted, I have an Accord hybrid for my transition vehicle but still NEW to EV and like hearing these learning experiences.
Thanks for sharing.
 
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Did you get a 120V "mobile" charger with your lease? If so, there's zero reason not to use it while you're parked at home. Yes, it's "slow," but if the car is sitting doing nothing, you might as well be charging it. If you didn't get one, you can find one for less than $250 and use that. It's also good to carry it with you on trips, just in case.
Strangely no, but we did get the V2L adaptor, so I can charge other peoples stuff from my car, just not my car from the house. Apparently in 2024 you needed to upgrade to the Limited package to get the Level 1 plug. Since we have Level 2 wiring in the plans for this year, I'm not concerned about it
 
Can you throw this article on the thread “we own EVs, ask us anything”. Would be great to track your experiences if you continue to share. I love these stories. As noted, I have an Accord hybrid for my transition vehicle but still NEW to EV and like hearing these learning experiences.
Thanks for sharing.
Happy to, but I hate to have it in two places, is there a way to just move it? Mods, something you can do? Just realized I've been active on various forums for a long time, but have never moved a thread....
 
We also own an Ionic 5, and also love it. However, I will tell you if you're looking to do a highway trip, the car range estimate is nowhere near reliable. I believe this to be consistent among EVs based on what I've read. I'm not saying anything new but highway commutes of significant distance and towing are not pure BEV strong suits. Ours is rated to be capable of 303 miles. While that may be true around town, we wouldn't have made it 200 on our highway trip last weekend... When we left, according to car projections, I should have been able to make my trip with over 120 miles to spare.

Hoping future technology will result in more accurate estimates and consistent battery discharge. Whether it does or doesn't, I'm opting for the harvester, personally.

It all depends on what an individual intends to use their BEV/EREV for... I'm not implying there is a right answer.
I'll be very curious to find out what our real world experiences are. So far, for around town errands, which is the bulk of our day-to-day driving, and a BEV's strong suit, the car is perfect. We've driven almost 300 miles for free, the alternative would have been 17-18 gallons of fuel, at whatever 87 octane is going for today.
 
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Happy to, but I hate to have it in two places, is there a way to just move it? Mods, something you can do? Just realized I've been active on various forums for a long time, but have never moved a thread....
Generally the author needs to move it or Jamie. Two places isn’t preferred (in my mind) but in this case your write up would be good there and then in future if you are willing to give other general feedback or long trip feedback it’s a great single source to send new members to so they can learn about others experiences
 
I will try to keep up with my experiences here, if people find it useful. Here's another mindset change:

Slow down. And I mean mentally; physically these are fast cars, drive as a fast as you want. Mentally, there is a lot to learn, to the point of being overwhelming coming from a 12 year old ICE vehicle (and one that was a bit behind technology wise even 12 years ago). Our sales person did a great job of explaining about a million things in about 30 minutes, and my mid-50's brain was full. I'm no luddite, I sell a very complicated software for a living, but its a lot.

A lot of things can be figured out by the trusty hunt-n-peck method, but if you try to hurry the process you'll just get frustrated. For things that don't reveal themselves, there are a lot of great videos on you tube.

Case in point: Auto-hold. I thought it seemed cool, so I turned it on on the way home from the dealer when we picked it up. That was stupid, as previously mentioned, I learned to drive in an SSII - steep hill leaving my high school, long clutch throw, lots of traffic, etc... I haven't had a car roll back on me since high school, so this feature is wasted on me, BUT - the downside is that the car won't move at all unless you give it some juice, and then it moves immediately. There's no slow roll from a stop.

The punch line is I scratched the rear bumper backing into some kids Subaru when our car had 38 miles on it. Now i have an insurance claim for some kids 10 year old outback, and I'm very glad I bought the extra "bumper scratches" insurance when I leased the car. Still waiting for our touch-up estimate, but I'm thinking we won't both fixing it, its very slight. And I turned auto-hold off.

Now that we've got the basics, I'm really just trying to learn one new thing every day....
 
I will try to keep up with my experiences here, if people find it useful. Here's another mindset change:

Slow down. And I mean mentally; physically these are fast cars, drive as a fast as you want. Mentally, there is a lot to learn, to the point of being overwhelming coming from a 12 year old ICE vehicle (and one that was a bit behind technology wise even 12 years ago). Our sales person did a great job of explaining about a million things in about 30 minutes, and my mid-50's brain was full. I'm no luddite, I sell a very complicated software for a living, but its a lot.

A lot of things can be figured out by the trusty hunt-n-peck method, but if you try to hurry the process you'll just get frustrated. For things that don't reveal themselves, there are a lot of great videos on you tube.

Case in point: Auto-hold. I thought it seemed cool, so I turned it on on the way home from the dealer when we picked it up. That was stupid, as previously mentioned, I learned to drive in an SSII - steep hill leaving my high school, long clutch throw, lots of traffic, etc... I haven't had a car roll back on me since high school, so this feature is wasted on me, BUT - the downside is that the car won't move at all unless you give it some juice, and then it moves immediately. There's no slow roll from a stop.

The punch line is I scratched the rear bumper backing into some kids Subaru when our car had 38 miles on it. Now i have an insurance claim for some kids 10 year old outback, and I'm very glad I bought the extra "bumper scratches" insurance when I leased the car. Still waiting for our touch-up estimate, but I'm thinking we won't both fixing it, its very slight. And I turned auto-hold off.

Now that we've got the basics, I'm really just trying to learn one new thing every day....
I haven't driven the Ioniq 5, but in my driving with 1PD, this same sort of thing can happen with 1PD to a lesser degree. I will sometimes turn off 1PD when backing up in an unfamiliar place simply because I want super-fine control over the speed of the vehicle and there is a wee bit of a jolt when backing up in 1PD. Not sure if this is just the implementation in the Ford vehicles or if it's noticeable in others as well.
 
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I will try to keep up with my experiences here, if people find it useful. Here's another mindset change:

Slow down. And I mean mentally; physically these are fast cars, drive as a fast as you want. Mentally, there is a lot to learn, to the point of being overwhelming coming from a 12 year old ICE vehicle (and one that was a bit behind technology wise even 12 years ago). Our sales person did a great job of explaining about a million things in about 30 minutes, and my mid-50's brain was full. I'm no luddite, I sell a very complicated software for a living, but its a lot.

A lot of things can be figured out by the trusty hunt-n-peck method, but if you try to hurry the process you'll just get frustrated. For things that don't reveal themselves, there are a lot of great videos on you tube.

Case in point: Auto-hold. I thought it seemed cool, so I turned it on on the way home from the dealer when we picked it up. That was stupid, as previously mentioned, I learned to drive in an SSII - steep hill leaving my high school, long clutch throw, lots of traffic, etc... I haven't had a car roll back on me since high school, so this feature is wasted on me, BUT - the downside is that the car won't move at all unless you give it some juice, and then it moves immediately. There's no slow roll from a stop.

The punch line is I scratched the rear bumper backing into some kids Subaru when our car had 38 miles on it. Now i have an insurance claim for some kids 10 year old outback, and I'm very glad I bought the extra "bumper scratches" insurance when I leased the car. Still waiting for our touch-up estimate, but I'm thinking we won't both fixing it, its very slight. And I turned auto-hold off.

Now that we've got the basics, I'm really just trying to learn one new thing every day....
This is also great “experience” items for the “we drive EV’s….” Like a one stop shop for those of us completely new to EV’s
 
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I also think people coming fresh from non-EV to EV is helpful for a lot of people. I've forgotten too much about the transition from gas to hybrid to EV and so many things are just kind of habit for me that probably wouldn't be for someone new...
 
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